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ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 06:59 PM

in your opinion.

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:00 PM

:banghead: CHRIST, have you ever heard of a factual opinion? We can PROVE the bands listed are better then KISS.

mosesandtherubberducky 04-08-2006 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
in your opinion.


Yes and since I'm just so cool my opinion is fact. :D

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:00 PM

Well it would be your opinion that there are no bands that were more influential than KISS. Howcome your opinion is fact, but our opinion is opinion?

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:02 PM

KISS is teh suxzorz

mosesandtherubberducky 04-08-2006 07:02 PM

KISS is teh suxzorz

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:02 PM

Im not saying KISS is the greatest band.

One can be a crappy band and be extremely influential - look at NIRVANA.

I'm talking influence, and your talking something else.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:03 PM

Your opinion isn't fact. Neither is ours, ours is just a lot closer to it :)

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill
:banghead: CHRIST, have you ever heard of a factual opinion? We can PROVE the bands listed are better then KISS.

If we went into talent, i could list thousands upon thousands of prog bands who actualy knew how to play their respective instruments...Which makes them better than KISS.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:05 PM

we're not talking talent though.

we're talking influence.

Im sure Paco DeLucia is a more talented guitarist than Kurt Cobain.

who's more influential???

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
Im not saying KISS is the greatest band.

One can be a crappy band and be extremely influential - look at NIRVANA.

I'm talking influence, and your talking something else.

You mean to tell me KISS was more influencial then the Ramones?

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-08-2006 07:05 PM

101 The Fall , Just as a bonus

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:06 PM

What kind of influence did KISS have? What can be attributed to them? Glam Rock? That is something to be proud of :rolleyes:

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
Im not saying KISS is the greatest band.

One can be a crappy band and be extremely influential - look at NIRVANA.

I'm talking influence, and your talking something else.

:laughing:

Nirvana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KISS

I shouldnt have to explain it, but i will if you want, KISS makes dumb music for dumb people who like to get drunk at partys and strip naked and screw anything that walks.

While Nirvana not only spent time on writing actual music rather than being more concerned with how many women they were going to sleep with but they also had great lyrics, some very beautiful melodies and and they could write songs that really stuck a chord with people...Hell, i'll even go out on a limb and say they are more skilled musicians, though that isnt saying much.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-08-2006 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
What kind of influence did KISS have? What can be attributed to them? Glam Rock? That is something to be proud of :rolleyes:

Nope , T-Rex , Bowie & Alice Cooper beat them to that by at least 5 years

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:09 PM

They were all around the same time, give or take a few years.

Urban Hat€monger ? 04-08-2006 07:09 PM

Bollocks

Kiss were still some hippy band in 72

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:11 PM

KISS took things these bands were doing and magnified it and made way more money doing it.

over 30 years later, they win.

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
What kind of influence did KISS have? What can be attributed to them? Glam Rock? That is something to be proud of :rolleyes:

Fat Chance.

Glam rock was around long before KISS....David Bowie, Alice Cooper, T. Rex, Iggy Pop & The Stooges, etc, you name it.

They are a big influence on glam metal however, thats right, if it werent for KISS, we would never have had....

http://www.absolute-motleycrue.com/g.../picture_1.jpg

Thank god for KISS and all the amazing bands they influenced.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:12 PM

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KISS took things these bands were doing and magnified it and made way more money doing it.

over 30 years alter, they win.

Dude, you are so arrgogant. KISS was not some kind of band with a deep lasting impact. They made mindless music to get drunk to. They were more popular for their performances than for the actual music.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:13 PM

its becoming painfully obvious to me Boo Boo that your idea of good music starts with Nirvana and ends up somewhere with Green Day.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
Dude, you are so arrgogant. KISS was not some kind of band with a deep lasting impact. They made mindless music to get drunk to. They were more popular for their performances than for the actual music.


good. KISS music makes me want to get drunk and get laid.

Dream Theater makes me want to wear a Cardigan turtle-neck sweater and read a book.

I'll take KISS.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:14 PM

WHO ARE YOU TO TALK? Your idea of good music is KISS. That is very very sad.

EDIT: Dream Theater suck too.

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:14 PM

OWNED!


damn capslock censor =(

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:15 PM

KISS is just one band of many. But few come close to touching their accomplishments.

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
KISS took things these bands were doing and magnified it and made way more money doing it.

over 30 years later, they win.

Faith+One made a $1 million from just stealing songs and adding lyrics about Jesus, does that make them good?...Of course not.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:15 PM

Who owned who?

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
its becoming painfully obvious to me Boo Boo that your idea of good music starts with Nirvana and ends up somewhere with Green Day.


:(

You caught me.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357
WHO ARE YOU TO TALK? Your idea of good music is KISS. That is very very sad.

NO, my idea of a GOOD TIME is KISS.

If i want good musicianship I'll listen to Bach

Laces Out Dan! 04-08-2006 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Faith+One made a $1 million from just stealing songs and adding lyrics about Jesus, does that make them good?...Of course not.

:rofl:...I tried it...i did not come close to selling 1,000,000 records :(

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
NO, my idea of a GOOD TIME is KISS.

If i want good musicianship I'll listen to Bach

Making songs about having a good time dosent make them one of the best bands ever.

Take Jet for example, they may be a fun likable band, but it dosent make them better than say The Flaming Lips, now does it?

sleepy jack 04-08-2006 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
NO, my idea of a GOOD TIME is KISS.

I dont know about you guys, but my idea of a good time isn't four dudes in makeup..

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Making songs about having a good time dosent make them one of the best bands ever.

It makes them one of the funnest.

I guess all that smack filled depressing Seattle music makes that a hard concept for you though, huh?

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill
I dont know about you guys, but my idea of a good time isn't four dudes in makeup..

Unless of course its these guys.

http://www.chartattack.com/features/...ts/misfits.jpg

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
It makes them one of the funnest.

I guess all that smack filled depressing Seattle music makes that a hard concept for you though, huh?

You do realise that everyone in KISS except Gene has been addicted to smack at one point, right?

Yeah, good fun happy music indeed.

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:23 PM

Just because a band makes a 'fun' song, doesn't qualify them as the most influential band of the seventies. And it isn't that they influenced, its who they influenced.

KISS ----> Uninspired Glam Metal

Television --------> Art Punk

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:23 PM

well, its not like NIRVANA that kiss each other onstage, or wear a dress, LOL

bungalow 04-08-2006 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

OWN3D! Point for boo boo?

boo boo 04-08-2006 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowSurfer
well, its not like NIRVANA that kiss each other onstage, or wear a dress, LOL

They did that to alienate homophobes, whom Cobain didnt want to consider to be part of his fanbase.

ShadowSurfer 04-08-2006 07:26 PM

KISS influence spans rock, country and metal.


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