Oh, the one on RYM?
Yeah, I've read a couple of that guy's posts.
The gigantic clown.

So how did anybody find out about Primus? Inform me...

First I ever heard of them was from the Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey soundtrack.
And they seemed to be on 120 minutes almost on a weekly basis after that.

I don't understand the question. Are you operating under some kind of assumption that the only way people found out about bands in the 90s was via mainstream rock radio?

Haha, same here.

No, but I presumed bands like Primus that were signed to major labels and charted were discovered through means other than word-of-mouth and underground zines...

Primus is, to me, the classic example of a slow burn band. They never had some huge breakthrough, they just slowly got more and more well-known throughout the 90s. Urban and I both first heard of them from Biil & Ted's Bogus Journey. Other people no doubt saw one of their videos on 120 Minutes or heard about them from their friends. As the 90s wore on they got bigger and had a couple videos on daytime MTV so they became more well-known. By the second half of the 90s they had some songs that you might hear on mainstream rock radio sometimes but they were hardly the staple of it that you seem to think they were.

plus you had the whole Lollapaloza thing too.

Most of the bands on that tour got blanket coverage in the specialist music shows & magazines. It's pretty rare to find a band that didn't get over from that tour.

And I'm sure they received a fair bit of attention through their South Park theme song and Mephisto & Kevin.

You may be completely right.
What I should have said was: The 80's haven't produced (as far as a decade can produce anything) much good music for me ;).
I still think of it that way by the way. Can't think of any band I really really like that originates from the 80's

Can you imagine getting to see The Clash live? Always heard they were great live. Born too late to do so myself.

Don't you think, if you go on wishing you were born earlier, you're going to miss the current favorite bands?

I've been going to shows since I was 14 years old. Even at the ripe old age of 28 I still manage to catch a bunch of local shows and 4 to 6 major (band) shows a year. I think I've 2 mind-blowing shows in my lifetime and too many to count where I wish I could get my money back.

I can't wait until time machines are invented so everyone who is obsessed with previous decades can go back, and SHUT THE **** UP.

:laughing:

I can't help thinking about the brilliant appearances I've seen so far.
I'd love to see some deceased artists, but it's not like I would have wanted to mis nowadays music. It's not like it's getting better. It's just still good.

For me its not just the music but the surroundings of what was taking place during the time of that music. Like in the late 60's when people like Hendrix and many others were just starting to get recognized and changing the face of music culture forever. I mean just being able to see the effects it was having in those times must have been exciting. Its almost as if nowadays everythings been done and is in some form or fashion just recycled offshoot of someone elses idea's. Nothing is that shocking anymore and almost everything is accepted. For example in the late 60's there were things that were being done that were just unheard of for those times. Unrealized moments of genius and historic events in the music industry. Woodstock then was nothing like the crappy Woodstock of my generation. Our woodstock didnt even stand for anything and ultimatley ended in violent acts of stupidity. Im all for being rebelious but the extent of what took place during that event was beyond comprehension of prooving any kind of legitimate point.

Not really. I used to think living in the 60s would be cool, but I've come to like the era I was brought up in, sort of like a parent loving a dysfunctional child. Actually, it's what I hate about it that makes it such an interesting time to live through. For instance, the last decade was complete shit, but how many people can say they lived through a war that had absolutely no meaning. And 9/11? George Bush? Fuck, I love this decade. All the people that grew up through this better go on to do something interesting with their lives.

How old are you then?

A cure for wishing you were not born in a given decade is to play all the ****ty music, terrible movies, and wear all the miserable fashion that existed then.

It would be fun to beat up a hippie

I like hippies :(

I dont think liking that era of music automaticlly destines you to be a hippie. Not sure what catagory I would have wanted to be placed in if I did live in those times. Just the general unapproval of the music and the trends that were starting to evolve along with that are what seems exciting. Not to pumped about the fashion of back then but if i didnt know any different then who knows. I still see movies that portray those times and how what has become second to us was unspeakable then. Ive lived through a war yes and seeing the twin towers fall was not something you really cherish or want to remember. More like one of..well the worst tradgedy in U.S. history. Other than some the moments witnessed in sports and a couple other small issues. I dont find anything worth while or spectacular from this day in age. Like it or not were stuck living in it so I guess make the best of it.

^ Ummmm...

We are kind of the generation(not sure exactly how old you are, but you sound under 25) that gets to live through one of the most important technological advances of all time AKA THE INTERNET. IMO this is the best time to be alive, it's a very exciting time, because how people interract socially is changing all the time, and we get to be a part of that.

Yeah but honestly I could care less. It just doesnt strike me as all that exciting. I mean its certainly amazing and convenient at times. But I could live without it with ease. For that matter computers, cell phones, etc etc. I was more so talking of the unacceptable behavior and music trends. That back then were not embraced and very much were despised by the majority. Rock and Roll being looked at as Satans lingo and things of that nature. The over all level of anything being shocking is a thing of the past. Nothing is really suprising anymore. Even technology for that matter.

If only I was born in the 60's. I would have my favorite music play all the time while being in my favorite car.

Yeah the 69 model Cheverolet Camero..nice!!

I thought about that often since I tend to listen to more of older music than Top 40 that's out now. I would have to say 'no.' I love British Rock everything from the Shadows to the Smiths, (and then it tails off for me a few groups here and there) but if I was born fifty years earlier or even fifty years ago I don't think I would have the opportunity to know what I know now. I talk to my uncles about music and they live during that time but they are limited to what was available on 45s, LPs and radio (to be honest they know stuff I don't know and I know stuff they don't know.) They are both fine musicians but they are not music collectors. I think from the perspective of audiophile the 70's beats all everything was analog from the instruments to recording to sound reproduction and amplification, that's if you don't mind a little hissing and scratching. But from the standpoint of a music collector I think the transition period from the age of CDs to the audio-files (mp3s and i-tunes) is the best, in the present is there is still the best of both world, vinyl, CDs and audio-files, who knows what the future may bring some of those formats could be lost.

I bet if you were young in the 1960's you would be the type of person who would say, "Man, I wish I was born in the 1910's so I could live through the 20's." or something like that. You're so friggen hard to please, this decade was the ****.

That's how the Folk Revivalist felt during the late 50's early 60's, in a way that's how they found Mississippi John Hurt still living (circa early 60's) around Avalon Mississippi, while at that time the rest of the country thought he passed away there was this one guy who wished he was born in the 10's and set out on a mission to find him and he did! 20's Country Blues - ya can't knock it.

Uhhh..no. There stands good reason why I chose the year I did, and not any other year. Because it seems to have been more exciting in many different ways. Im glad you think this decade was awesome but...guess what...I know I was there. Its not that exciting. Neither would living in 1910's or 1920's for that matter. Im glad your able to predict what I would want if in theory if I was in fact living in the 1960's. Nothing like assumption to be the foundation of someones own moronic fact. :wave:

I really don't know that I'd agree with that. There's definitely a lot of stuff in the mainstream that lacks in substance, but if you really know where to look, there's absolutely amazing music happening right now.

No it hasn't. You're just looking in the wrong direction :)

...and there always has been.

End of debate, as far as I'm concerned.

I often hear the term mainstream reffered to in a negative manner. Whats the issue from others perspectives as to why it doesnt measure to up to whats considered nonmainstream? Do people automaticly assume it lacks in a certain area that non mainstream music does? Maybe somebody can shed some light on this for me.

i would just like current music to sound like 60s music, not that I want to live in that era in Malaysia - racial polarisation, black and white movies, US movies only showing five years later, reruns of the Ten Commandments and the original King Kong but at least the Malay girls were more open (no rampant Islamisation) and we had X-rated movies shown in the cinema

then again, we had a pretty bad racial riot in 1969 turning into a full-scale national emergency (but mostly in Kuala Lumpur)

Here you go sir ;)

I think there are two major points here. The first one is that mainstream music is a very tiny fraction of the music that's out there, which means that a person who only listens to mainstream stuff almost by definition has fairly limited musical tastes. The second thing is that mainstream music is often, though certainly not always, lowest common denominator music. That makes it popular but it also makes it boring to people who are more heavily into music than the average person.

It's often forgotten that Jimi Hendrix, Neil Young, CSNY, Beatles, Al Stewart, Joe Jackson, Steely dan, Bob Dylan, the Band, Supertramp, Pink Floyd... all those bands were once mainstream. And almost no one will now criticize them for being 'mainstream'.

Appreciate the clarifacation Janz...dont always agree on other topics but your posts are always well worded and sound. I just didnt know if the mainstream hate somehow stemmed from the assumption of the artists being sell outs and playing for the dollar. As opposed to playing for the love of music so to speak. Which I know does happen but doesnt necessarily mean that they all are. Personaly I dont favor one over the other but thats just me. Anyways you answered my question thanks.

Do I wish I was born in that prime time to experience that era??
Absolutely! Back when music was music, and it wasn't all about money and promotion of feces across the airwaves. You ever want an accurate description of what has happened to music, the bands, the concerts more importantly, listen to 'Money Becomes King' or 'Joe' by Tom Petty. So sick, sad and true! I'd opt to go back in time and be blind, just as long as I could experience and hear the music the way it should be.