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Music Man 01-18-2006 01:07 AM

The Beatles Influence

The album format

"Prior to The Beatles, record albums were of secondary consideration to 45s in mass marketing. Albums largely contained filler material along with one or two worthwhile singles. The Beatles, with the ability to produce albums with consistently well-regarded material and the desire to rarely use singles as part of full albums, helped to define the album as the preferred mechanism for releasing popular music, which in turn resulted in the development of new FM radio formats such as Album-oriented rock (AOR) in the 1970s. The Beatles' song "Hey Jude" was memorable in its time for helping to break down the barriers around pop music.

To conform with the preferences of commercial radio, most (though not all) songs released as singles up to that time were about three minutes in length; "Hey Jude" clocked in at over seven minutes and helped make it acceptable for a single to be longer than standard length. Even album covers changed during this period, becoming increasingly artistic -- works of art in their own right. (The Beatles seemed to rebel against this in 1968 when they released their plain white album The Beatles, known as the White Album.) While they were not alone in promoting these developments, they were clearly at the forefront of them.

The Beatles' album covers themselves were well-thought-out designs that have been copied and imitated hundreds of times by everyone from The Simpsons and The Muppets to the Red Hot Chilli Peppers. This has especially been the case with the covers of With the Beatles, which featured the four band members' faces half-darkened with shadows; The White Album, Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and Abbey Road. Abbey Road in London has become a popular tourist attraction with countless numbers of tourists taking their photo walking along the crosswalk in front of Abbey Road studios.

Ironically, one of their most experimental and personal cover designs was one which was released and recalled shortly thereafter -- the infamous Butcher Sleeve, photographed by Robert Whitaker. Originally intended by Whitaker to be one of a triptych of allegorical studies of the group, the photo was selected for the cover of the US version of the album Yesterday & Today; thousands of covers were printed, but the "Butcher Sleeve" version of the album was famously withdrawn from sale just prior to release because of complaints from retailers. It has since become one of the rarest and most valuable of all Beatles collectibles."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_influence

Sabgoat 01-18-2006 01:08 AM

i like the beatles.. i like alot of the writing.. both johns and pauls (although i hate paul as you all know from my past thread) and some of there song greatly annoy the **** out of me like yellow bu**** song.. grr makes me mad.. and other songs.. but every song ever done by mic jagger and the rolling stones i hate with a passion, they all seem over done and over played and over annoying to my brain.. and i never could stand them.. yet when a song comes on i will sing to it.. grr that also makes me mad.. so i clearly choose the beatles hehe.. i have a few of there records and cd's.. "saw her standing there" god that was my song when i was 17 hehe.. anyways

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-18-2006 01:08 AM

its biased because the person who wrote it was trying to tell the reader how great of a band the beatles were. im not saying that the one about the stones isnt biased...but the articles dont explore the bands weaker sides at all. trust me.....ask anyone on this forum.......they will tell you that both of those articles are biased. go ahead and print them out and take them to your english professor (assuming you are in school) and ask them if the article presents any sort of bias in the information provided. they are both trying to promote each band.

the people i have biases against are the people who call me out without presenting facts of their own.....especially when they are calling me a hypocrite after i have provided no propaganda or opinion on a subject at all.

why are you so hell bent on proof of everything?

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-18-2006 01:12 AM

wikipedia is nothing but a biography...and it tells me nothing that would convince me that the bealtes were better.

and by the way....wikipedia sucks.

Music Man 01-18-2006 01:12 AM

The Beatles Influence

Photos and music videos

"Their rapid ascent to vast international fame quickly made the four Beatles among the most photographed people in history. As part of the assiduous image management of the band overseen by manager Brian Epstein, the group was assigned a succession of leading photographers -- most notably Dezo Hoffmann and Robert Whitaker -- who helped Epstein to carefully sculpt the group's visual image. Whitaker took many of the best known photographs of the band during their heyday as a touring act between 1964 and 1966, including the famous photographs of their legendary Shea Stadium concert.

One other notable photographer who worked with the band was Richard Avedon, who photographed them for a famous and much reproduced series of psychedelic portraits in 1967, as well as the four portrait shots included as inserts with their 1968 album The Beatles ('The White Album').

The Beatles began filming promotional music videos for their songs in the early 1960s, mainly because they wanted to send them to television programs so they wouldn't have to appear in person.

Perhaps the single most influential of all the visual representations of The Beatles was their first film A Hard Day's Night, directed by Richard Lester. It pioneered many now-standard techniques including the cutting of images to the beat of the music, and it is arguable that this film became the basic template from which the music video as a genre emerged. Especially notable is the "Can't Buy Me Love" segment, which features creative camera work, and the band running and jumping around in a field -- a device which almost immediately has become de rigeur for virtually every pop band since. (George Harrison of The Beatles and Michael Nesmith of The Monkees went on to become pioneering music video directors). Beatles promo videos include "Day Tripper," "Help!," "We Can Work It Out," "Ticket To Ride," "Paperback Writer," "Rain," "I Feel Fine," "Hello Goodbye," "Penny Lane," "A Day in the Life", "Revolution," "Lady Madonna," "Hey Jude," "The Ballad of John and Yoko," and "Something."

Their most innovative film-clip, which remains one of the landmarks of the genre, was that made in 1967 for the single "Strawberry Fields Forever". Shot in the late winter, in the afternoon and early evening, on Salisbury Plain, it depicted the group at the peak of their psychedelic phase, with long hair, colourful clothes, moustaches and what was soon to become Lennon's trademark, his 'granny glasses'. It used many techniques previously only seen in experimental film, including intricate jump-cuts that rapidly alternated between night and day, reversed film and other avant-garde devices."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_influence

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe 01-18-2006 01:13 AM

stop spamming.

Music Man 01-18-2006 01:15 AM

The Beatles Influence

Legacy and parody

"Even decades after the band broke up, The Beatles have become a yardstick to which nearly all new rock and roll bands are compared. It is extremely common for new bands to be promoted as being "the next Beatles" or "the new fab four". It is also quite common for record reviewers and members of the media to refer to musical acts as being "Beatlesque" given The Beatles impact on Baby Boomer culture. To this day, no new artist or band has quite lived up to the hype of being compared to The Beatles. Inspiring the same degree of popularity as The Beatles may be unattainable now due to the splintering of popular tastes in music.

The influence of The Beatles even extended beyond their music. Perhaps the most notable was their influence on male fashion. Their relatively long hair, when they burst onto the scene in 1964, was a shocking fashion statement, one that was quickly adopted by other rock bands of the time, and by the 1970s, long hair became standard fashion for men. The hair styles even led toy manufactures to begin producing "Beatle Wigs". In the early Beatle-mania years, the Beatles would occasionally wear grey, collarless suits. These unusual suits eventually became extremely common for new bands after 1964. In fact, it was not unusual for bands to appear on the Ed Sullivan Show or another similar program wearing the suits made popular by the band.

Surprisingly for a band as controversial, prolific and as ubiquitous as The Beatles, there have been very few noteworthy parodies of their work and style."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles_influence

jibber 01-18-2006 01:16 AM

^so are you planning on regurgitating every article written on the beatles or are you going to present some of your own ideas to us?

Music Man 01-18-2006 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe
stop spamming.

That's only your opinion. You're just being intolerant and biased when presented with hard facts that don't agree with your opinion. The material I'm posting is DIRECTLY RELATED to the thread topic, and it does not benefit me personally--so it doesn't qualify as spam.

Try to be more tolerant of other people's views! :wavey:

jibber 01-18-2006 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Music Man
That's only your opinion. You're just being intolerant and biased when presented with hard facts that don't agree with your opinion. The material I'm posting is DIRECTLY RELATED to the thread topic, and it does not benefit me personally--so it doesn't qualify as spam.

Try to be more tolerant of other people's views! :wavey:

no, it qualifies as spamming because it's the same repetitive tripe spouted over and over by different authors. You didn't write any of it yourself, and I doubt if you even read any of it. You're not adding anything new to the argument at this point, just acting like an immaure little child who continues doing something out of spite after they've found out it annoys someone.


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