oh... ok.

i should change the band name:

Mosaic For __________ (Larks doesn't roll off the tongue very well

Mosaic For Minds
Mosaic For Me
Mosaic For Music
Mosaic For Mangled Members
Mosaic For Mice
Mosaic For Microscopes
Mosaic Kiosk
?????????????????????????

M B Mosaic?

it doesn't need to start with an "M".

I put Mosaic For Wolves.

I understand what you mean, but that would be like we're a band limited to musicbanter, like how Orbit Rap is limited to orbit's gum. sorry.

I recorded a quick drum beat, I will record more when I have time. I'll glady record drums for anything that some post as it is somewhat hard to record drums for a song when I have no idea what the song is like, the sructure, ect. But if anybody wants to start with the drums, heres something:

Drum Beat 1

Give me some suggestions of what you like to hear, anything that might give me a better idea of what you are looking for. Also, post any download links to parts of the songs here, so anybody can participate. I don't have a myspace account or anything and I'm sure there are other people that don't too so I think its best to get things done here. Even if you don't intend to use my drumming, I'd still like to partcipate, its good experience and practice.

i'll see.

2 more drum beats:

Drum beat 2
Drum Beat 3

On the second one, I forgot to cut out the last few minutes where I'm just playing random stuff and I don't feel like cutting it out and re-uploading it. There is still about 4 good minutes of just the beat on there though. If you wait until the very end you get to hear me cough!!

Alright you guys, you're seriously lacking organization with this. This won't get off the ground until a solid plan is laid out that everyone can understand and agree on. I've done a lot of collaboration on music in the past, as I am a producer, and there are some things to consider:

1. Everyone needs to be on the same page. If you want this to get off the ground, the people involved have to be working toward the same goal. Right now, the goal is so vague that all the details involved in getting there are not even laid out completely and you already have people probably working on music to contribute. Think of it this way: An orchestra needs their sheet music so they're all playing the same song. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of noise. (Or experimental music)
That sheet music should be in the form of clearly laid out collaboration project guidelines. It's not hard rules, but it will go a long way in helping your collaboration have any kind of productivity.

2. Depending on how you set up the collaboration, you need a few people with specific duties per collaboration project:
- Dedicated mixing/mastering person
- Dedicated editing/composing person
- Dedicated file management person
- And of course, your music contributors
It doesn't matter if the mixing/mastering guy also does the editing/composing, and even the file management. The idea is that all the music pieces that are contributed to the project are looked over and made sonically/structurally compatible with the song as a whole, by the same individual(s).
Depending on the style of collaboration, there may or may not be a need for a file management person.

What's also important to understand is that you can treat the collaboration as a PROJECT, which can be one of many future projects set up in different ways. After completing a project and starting a new one, you may find that things work better doing things in a slightly different way and with different contributors.
The goal of rotating collaboration projects is to find the setup that works best so you'll have something productive to stick with.


I just wanted to let you guys know that if you want this to succeed in even the completion of a decent song, there's a lot of thought that goes into coordinating effort in these kinds of logistics and numbers of participants.

If you guys agree with what I'm saying and want me to write out a draft for collaborative guidelines and resources, let me know. Otherwise, I won't waste the effort.

Thanks,
J.

I agree that we lack organization. So far all I've seen is people talking about what instrument we are going to record first and what the name of the project is going to be. The name is far from important right now, and talking about what instrument to record is far to vague of a question to ask right now, especially since nobody has any idea what we are actually recording.

The reason I'm contributing a few things is just to get some sort of start, maybe other people will follow suit and contribute their own pieces. At the very least its going to show that somebody out there is willing to put forth the effort to record.

Tommorow, I'm going to try and record a drum track over the bass line I posted a few pages back, to make sure everything can work out for me in terms of recording and that I don't run into any crippling problems. I've recorded before, but I'm new to recording the drums and I still need to figure out a good way to record them over another track. My computer is too far away from my drum set for me to just use headphones so I can listen to track while recording over it with guitar or bass. The only solution I can come up with is playing the track out of a cd player and recording, then syncing up the 2 tracks afterwards, which I can just tell is going to generate problems. Another way is using my laptop. It would be easy since its portable, but the sound card on it is much lower quality then my desktop and results in crap sound, especially for drums. If anybody has any good ideas on how I can do this, I'm listening.

there wasn't much else for me to do.
as you've both said this lacks organization.
also experimental music is noise.

I'm just saying... do it how you guys want to do it... But if you need some help, just let me know.

I'm not blaming you, or anyone in particular for the lack of organization. I don't really care, all I care about is getting things going.

Maybe a good way to start off is to at least get a list down of who is going to be in, what instruments they can play and other talents. Send everybody here that was interested a PM asking for what they can contribute so things can get organized.

You said you were making some guitar riffs right? Post some samples of those, it doesn't matter what length they are, but it will give me an idea of what I might be able to do with them on the drums. After hearing them we could discuss the details. If you have a few different ideas we could work out a verse, chorus, verse, chorus thing, or at least some song structure, variation, progression or something different then a guitar riff and drum track for a few minutes. It doesn't have to be complex or anything, or it could be just guitar, bass, drums with people taking turns soloing over it. I'm open to all ideas. I think we should also focus the discussion on this forum instead of myspace or facebook, or at least have an idea on which one we are all going to use. People have already created multiple groups for this thing on facebook or myspace, there should only be one.

Also, all of the material I've contributed so far, just so they are all in one place. I just realized that rapidshare has a download limit for free users. Any better ways I can upload this stuff?

Drum Beat 1
Drum beat 2
Drum Beat 3

Bass Line 1

Box.net just has a maximum of 1gb in your account at a time, but has a 15mb maximum upload.
Sendspace.com is good

Do they have a download limit? The main problem with rapidshare is it seems to only allow one download per day, which isn't really going to work. I'll check out those sites though.

Sorry, I honestly opened this up to get basics debated and begun, and I did not really envision this being done so quickly but it's cool that the interest is there.

Perhaps Veridical Fiction speaks the truth, and perhaps we should organize it a bit better, but the intent was for a simple all-inclusive collaberative effort, and I think posting the files for download here on MB is the best way to present work that anyone can add to and then re-post, with a bit of description as to what has been added to which track. I think this is already flowing in the right direction.

That is, if one drum track (and I was only able to download the 1st one, and as you said, Kamikazi Kat, I'm limited to downloading only that one today) inspires someone's bass or rhythm then just do it and repost it, and let it build naturally. IF two or three or four people dig the same file and want to organize something more structured then go for it!

Me too. I figure you are right on with uploading the drum files, and feel free to go ahead and string together a verse chorus verse bridge chorus or whatever structure and we can build on it. I'm already excited, so let's not get bogged down with too many rules right away. We're not going to die tomorrow...I hope. Plus we want to invite involvement from any user.

I am blocked from many of these sharing sites while at work...but this part of this collaboration is the backbone, so let's hope we can find a good one.

This is the only one I was able to listen to and then it told me about the 1 download per day limit...but I do like it. I think it would make an excellent intro and verse. I like the BPM as it will bring a strong drive to the song. Thanks bro,

Thanks. I'm looking at the 2 upload sites that Stone mentioned. Box.net might work since most of the beats I upload are below 15 MB. Sendspace looked good as well. At the least I could always just send out emails with the files attatched if anybody wants them.

we could make a group for this on this site.

Emailing was my origional notion but the posting of uploaded files would be so much more in-line with the communal nature of the process.

Thats a good idea. If you want, go ahead and set one up.

Emailing is just another option for those that are having problems with the upload site, I'm still going to upload my stuff so everybody can download and contribute. I'm in the process of getting all of my material on sendspace.

Drum Beat 1
Drum Beat 2
Drum Beat 3

I will post the rest here when its done uploading them. And I just realized that the files will only be available for a limited time... I love the way it waits to tell me that after I already set up an account and started uploading files. It doesn't specify how long the files will stay. But it will work for now as an alternative to rapidshare. Try it out and tell me how it works.

i think only mods can make new groups, i'll check

I'm going out of town for the weekend to visit a friend, so I'm not going to be able to record anything. I'll still have internet access so I'll check back here in case there are any problems with the uploads.

I loved drum beat 2...I will probably jam with that sometime soon...thanks KK

Are 1 and 2 on the same BPM? Do you use a metronome or anything? Not necessary, just wondering.

I play a heavy acoustic rhythm guitar, I throw in some licks and hammers/pulls things like that. Not too great at solos but I am if I make them up.

I have a fairly baritone voice, could do some singing too. I sound like maybe a Jack Johnson with a dash of Mason Jennings and Ray Lamontagne.

Have a kick@ss weekend, not sure if I'll get the time to check in, but I'll be practicing a bit of guitar on the drum tracks, see what I can come up with.

Cheers




The Banterones Band
:band:

Song Lyrics
 

I made this one up today. I wanted something energetic to go along with the drum beats I've been able to download and listen to so far...maybe at 160 bpm or something, though I'm not exactly sure if that's right.

My lyrics are usually much lighter, happier, so let me know if I should keep it lighter...

It's obviously about ending a fleeting yet profound relationship--it is a mix of aggressive retrospective regret, silly sarcasm and angry realization, with the residual wonder of what could have been or could theoretically still be.

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Song: “No Boat for the Flood”

Verse:

I am in a big snafu, can’t find a way, find my way.
I am made a big fat fool to roll away roll away
Ditch this, crumple me and toss me in, toss me in,
Switch hit, crumble me like porcelain, porcelain

Bridge:
I…have no boat for this rain.
Make it swift, I’ve no boat for this rain

Chorus:
This love was a shooting star so bright but so far
Removed from our grasp. Sure,
This love was a flashing glimpse of, but like the H blimp
We burst from, true rapture.

Verse:
Maybe when I’m reborn you’ll take me back, take me back!
Bella, I’m a Quileute son, we’ll make a pact, make a pact.
You’ll be my kitty and I’ll be your gilla man, gilla man
Who am I kidding, you’ll f*ck me up and kill again, you’ll kill me again.

Bridge:
And I…have no boat for this rain
No, I have no boat for this rain

Chorus

Outro:
If the phone rings will you jump all up and laugh “Oh! It’s him! Oh! It’s him!”
If the phone rings will you just ball up and grrr “Oh, it’s him, oh, it’s him.”

Snafu? T.T

A muddled mess or situation...yeah, a bit sad but mostly anger in realization...angst maybe?

You should replace "Snafu" its a weird word and doesn't sound so great if you listen to it with that word, you should replace it.

:shycouch:

I can change it

1 and 2 aren't the same BPM. I didn't use a metronome or anything, I honestly just sat down and played the first thing that came to mind and repeated them for a few minutes. I tried to keep some sort of consistent pattern going while improvising a bit in between.

Also thanks, I will have a kickass weekend.

Okay, here's a song I wrote-

cavanherk-My Everything-vocals-rhythmguitar.wav

Hope you dig it.

Maybe we could throw drums on top of it next? What you think, KK? I'm thinking something similar to drum beat 2 in the verse, and something like beat 3 in the bridge/chorus would be solid. Let the creative juices flow...

Listened to it and I liked it, I'll start working on putting drums over it tommorow. I also looked at your songs on youtube, very uplifting sound. I'm interested in adding drums to those later after I get this song done and see how everything works out.

Glad you enjoyed them. Happy to upload clean copies of those songs for layering with others' inspiration. Should be fun.

Happy to write up new songs anytime.

I'm pretty excited to hear a beat over this one.

hey i got a few people who might do some backing vocals (and maybe whistling) can you post the lyrics for "My Everything"

I want to give you you my everything
I want to be music that makes you sing
I wanna be the mood that soothes when your mind stings
I wanna be behind the smile when your phone rings

I would like to give you you my everything (2x)

I want to give to you my every day
You would live twice as long to run and play
I wanna be the extra time you waste away
I wanna be the memory your mind replays mind replays

I would like to give to you my every day (2x)

I want to share with you my every thought
I want to be the one who makes you hot
I wanna be the reason for those clothes you bought
And the reason why you take them off take them off

I would like to share with you my every thought (2x)

I know that I can't give you all these things
'Cuz all I am is just a human being
All that I can give to you is all that I can be
All the rest is up to you, you see.

But I would love to give to you my everything (3x)

My Everything w/ Drums

Here is the song with drums over it. Overall, I'm not sure if I'm satisfyed with it, there are a few parts where I feel like I screwed up, but after showing it to a few friends who think it sounds fine, I'm going to post it here and get some feedback on it. I still might re-record it and see if I can get it better.

I will download it tonight from home when I have better bandwidth! Thanks!

it sounds okay but i think wire drums would sound better to this song

wire drums?

it's just playing drums with wire sticks.

Okay, I've listened to the song with drums a few times, and I am listening to it right now--I enjoy it, and it is actually the first time any of my songs has had a drum beat added to it by someone else. To me it sounds great--I just have one question: did you record the drums in a separate track or did you overlay?

If the drum beat was recorded as its own track, I would love to tweak it with some minor editing/echo etc if you don't mind. Let me know, and you can email it to me - cavanherk@gmail.com

Thanks K.K. I can't stop nodding my head to that beat.