Would you guys mind checking out my stuff? :) (the link can be found in my signature)

I mostly play heavy metal, though I also experiment with many other elements, so... in any case, granted my production aint the greatest. Believe me I know I need to improve, and perhaps one day even be able to afford some solid gear. But till than, i`m afraid I can only do what I can, with what I have. Which is not much. btw. Not to mention that finding free time is very difficult for me. What i`m trying to say it... i`m sure that there are more than enough tech geeks here and first / second year production students. And that`s great for you, but please go easy on me! :)

30 + views? :clap:
Oh no, please, not everyone at once! :dj:

But its cool... I know why this is happening... its because I don't have breasts, isn't it? ISNT IT?! oh but its okay... no no, don't mind me.. ill just be sitting here... looking at this blank page... Thinking about how happy I am that people exist, and probably have better stuff to do than check out little `o me... no no, its okay *sniff sniff*... I understand... you all must be very important business folks... you cant spare five minutes of your time.. don't worry its okay I understand.. your late for a meeting, your gf left you, someone`s on the phone, someone died, your dog took a **** on the carpet, you just found some Kryptonite in your backyard.. you know, just your average day.. no no its cool, its cool... don't mind me... just keeping on moving from post to post... dont say anything in mine... you little sons of... ********* (if I knew Chinese, this would be it!) :ar_15s:

Seriously though.
Opinions anyone? hell, at this point ill even settle for trolls! :laughing: (not really).

Stop spamming and advertising, it is not what this forum is for.

Please read our rules before you continue posting and take note of this part in particular:

Pro tip: If you want to be taken seriously as a musician don't post like an upset teenager looking for attention. Desperation is never attractive (even if you actually are an upset teenager).

You'll note that I have a link in my signature that's never been removed, same as a few other posters. That's because none of us have ever made a thread then replied to it to defensively whine for attention (whether you like that or not or intended to come across that way doesn't change the fact that it's how you've ended up presenting yourself).

So from your first post. Do not EVER disparage yourself. If you're not happy with your production yet then don't post it until you are. Don't make excuses or ask for special treatment - we're not your parents, we don't care that much. If YOU can't say 'I think this is awesome and I'd like people to hear it' then NO ONE else is going to think that. When you start with what reads like ...uhhh so... like... I kind of made a few recordings but they're weak and the production is crap because I'm not really sure what I'm doing and I don't have enough time to dedicate to doing properly and only have crap gear.... You're not enticing people to want to bother checking out your material.

Even if it's a rough mix, OWN IT and present it as such. Consider what you initially wrote versus something like this -

I play mostly heavy metal but I've started experimenting with a lot more elements. The resulting mixes are a little rough but I think they showcase the diversity well. Let me know what you think, any production tips or tricks would be much appreciated as well.

This way you're still presenting yourself but you're not undercutting and dropping the potential listener's expectations.

Now starting off with a self-depreciating post is bad enough but following it up with an aggressively defensive post like you did is just horrible form. Even as an attempted joke post it falls flat, because again, you're not giving potential listeners any real reason to want to check out your music.

Having said all that I'll actually check your link.

The keyboards are a little loud in Chapter1 The End Result, they kind of take away from the guitar. Vocals could be louder in the mix, some of the vocal stylings remind me a bit too much of vocal acrobatics at times though. Reminds me of a cross between old school Fear Factory and Deathklok. Too much chorus on the guitar in the soft bridge part near the end of the song.

The Dark One revisited takes way too long to kick in. If you're going to go with an ambient intro like that the listener should be able to make out the speech. I can understand wanting to make it a little obscured when listening to it on a stereo, but where I'm listening to it on headphones I'm expecting to be able to make it out and it was just shy of being clear, especially when the bell strikes. It's like a trick to reward people into making an effort to listening to your music exclusively (where headphones generally block out other auditory stimulation). Again a big Demanufacture vibe going on with the keyboards but the synth drums sound weak. Is that a sample from the alarm from No One Lives Forever at the end?

Lived to See - I think this is a good example of when less is more. You've got too many layers happening at the same time and they're not clearly divided enough through the aural spectrum. Basically I'm just hearing a pile of guitars just going, to me they should be panned a bit more distinctly towards each ear. Not something a complete hard left or hard right but 66-75% towards each side - this seems to happen later in the track but seemed absent near the start. Again the synth (horns) are too loud.

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Overall, I'm a whole hell of a lot more impressed than I EVER expected based on your posts. If nothing else - keep this last thought in mind next time you try promoting yourself.

I dunno who you are, but administrative suck up`s bore me. Please don't continue to shower me with nonsense, as I will only say this once.

First. You call THIS spamming? Second. Advertisement is in fact a part of being in this site, as I have personally seen other artists promote themselves in this forum, which is why I have tried doing so myself. I could redirect you to a better reference, if you'd like. Third. Im` not just here - I have also started taking part in the community. If would come here only to promote myself, believe me, THAT`s when you would see some real spamming.

Look. I don't like to argue, so ill make this as clear as day: If you have problems with me or my post, feel free to contact a Mod (or the admin) and try to arrange for this thread`s deletion. That would be more effective than talking to me, as I do not have the means to do so myself. And, no, I don't wanna argue with you. If I knew that this particular sub forum wasn't the right place to advertise myself, than I wouldn't have done it. If your gonna bitch about something, and point your finger at me, at least be accurate.

Thank you for you reply.
Please don't bother me again.
The same goes for anyone else thinking about bitching in here.

Janszoon - Now THAT is a relevant reply. I was under the impression that I was allowed to advertise myself in this particular sub forum. Guess I was wrong...

Thank you very much for informing me! :)

To be fair though, I dont see any lyrics or poetry in your thread here. It looks as though you have made this thread exclusively for the purpose of getting people to visit your site. That is spamming, actually.

If myself or another mod decides thats the only reason you're here, your account would be banned. I'd think about making a few more posts before you snap at members here who think you're only here for one reason.

First.
Son. "Pro". If you think that I was anything other than being sarcastic, if you think I was serious, than I feel sorry for you. That`s all I have to say about that - I was under the impression that the nature of my reply here was painstakingly obvious - Guess I was wrong?

Second.
I`m new here, so I dunno the works yet. I was trying to be nice / funny. Granted perhaps this was the wrong approach. You may have been right about that, as it seems that I am now in a position when I have to explain what was suppose to be obvious. That mistake shall not happen again. However. I dunno why your coming off with such a condescending attitude, but underestimating and assuming things on behalf of a complete stranger, is never a good idea. Especially given the quality of your own mix (if you really want to get technical, assuming that MySpace is yours). If you wanna "teach" someone on how to handle a production, the least you can do is offer an explanation with the proper terminology, and a higher quality product (sound wise) of your own. You may not like my music so much, and there`s nothing wrong with that (as that is your god given right), but being a prick becomes even less impressive, if you have less to bring to the table. Again. Granted perhaps I should have wrote something more serious and enticing, but when it comes to giving me advice on how to improve my product (production wise)... the only way YOU could teach ME, was if I thought you knew more than I do. Ive seen here people who I believe know more than I do - people that have more experience, and can present a higher quality product. The are in fact people here that can teach me quite a lot. However. You do not appear to be one of them, and so far I have seen no indication to that. Hence, I think that its odd that your coming off at me as if your god gift for producers.

Third.
As for your musical observations. I agree with you (sound wise). The rest is technical problems which I cannot solve because my equipment, computer power, and lack of time.

Overall. I`m not impressed.
You should get off your high horse, son.
I know when someone`s better than me, and I know my strength and weaknesses (production wise). Though you were right about the vocals & drums. Ill give ya that, and those will improve in the future. But as far as I can tell - Your not in a position to teach me anything. And if that`s really your MySpace, than perhaps you should be asking ME for advice. You were right about the fact that I came off wrong. I agree with you on that entirely, and I will not make that mistake again. However... music wise.... well. That`s a different story altogether. And, btw, if you were nicer and came off less condescending, I would have replied to you in a more respectful manner. However. Since you came out as an arrogant prick, than so will I. If you choose to reply to me, I suggest you do so respectfully. If you feel that you cant, than don't. As I will not respond to this attitude again. Pop a pill, son. You need it. Oh... and btw.. its not horns. Pro...

I already answered a similar inquiry.
And, no. That`s not spamming. If I would spam, this thread would look VERY differently. Trust me on that one. Btw. This is the last time ill respond about that.

Oh.. And... It that suppose to be a threat? :laughing: if you, or anyone else for that matter, wanted to delete me or my posts - than go right ahead and make it happen. I do take part in the community, and I already said what I wanted to say. If I (or ALL my threads / posts) get deleted entirely, than I guess I came to the wrong place altogether.

It's not a threat. I didn't ban your account, did I?

The point I'm making is that instead of snapping at members who are assuming that advertising your music is the only reason you are here, you might just want to show people that this isn't the case.

Up to now you haven't, so is it really so bad that some of our members may not be giving you the time of the day? This forum does welcome members who want to share their music with us, but generally that is reserved for people who have contributed here.

Not a threat, just facts.

Oh I know.. you hold SUCH great power.. its just a forum though, so I wont cry about it lol. Sorry about the sarcasm. Seriously though - your right about the snapping. That was my own pettiness. I will take you up on your advice and from now on I will ignore anyone who I think has not being relevant.

I HAVE started to take part in this community. You can check out my posts if you'd like.
Or, I could personally redirect you to them one by one.
That`s all I have to say about that.
Not a threat, Just facts :clap:

Yes, but you have 'started' to. That's my point.

I hope you do stay here, I hope you do contribute, I hope you do enjoy it. Should you contribute you should be welcomed and accepted here. I'm just offering my reasons why this may not have been the case so far and to confirm a few rules.

Anyway, enjoy the forum.

So that`s a no on the redirecting? :rolleyes: look. For real. Past is past, and we started off on the wrong foot. I`m actually quite satisfied with this forum - and I think that its WAY better than some of the other one`s ive seen. Don't let my sarcasm and pettiness fool you - i`m not angry about anything, and i`m quite amused with the irony itself (you know, about how the minute I started to complain about being ignored, people started showering me with replies), as well as some of the responses ive got :)

Don't worry - I think that your doing your job here wonderfully! (not being sarcastic). Don`t worry - I will. Thanks! :)

Yeah, except it's clearly stated in the rules that you CAN'T do that here. Period. There are no threads to advertise, ever. So no, he can't ignore everyone and do it anyway. He'd get banned.

And Voice... you're kinda acting like a dick in here man. Being hostile is not a good way to make friends.

Mr. Dave was being critical, in the best possible way. He was blunt but kind and letting you know his opinion, which is what you asked for, so you responded by being an ******* and mocking his own music. That... is really jerk move.

And then you angrily lashed out at mods and users alike, because you were pissed. Also not cool.

There are occasionally events around here where people share their music in a non-spammy way. I honestly hope you participate in them, it's always good to have another musician around. But for the love of glob, chill out and be NICE about it.

lol. Yes, ignore the moderators and long time members and listen to someone who just registered here today. :rolleyes:

Take a good look at the reactions the original post in this thread generated, then try pretending like it's between people you're not associated with. How awesome does that snarky defensive voice really seem if you're actually capable of hearing it as something besides your own?

Just because 'my' material is not pro-quality (by choice btw) doesn't mean I don't know other working professional musicians or haven't learned from them. One of the KEY elements that crosses all styles, especially when it comes to promotion is a professional attitude towards the public.

Fact is, and will continue to remain, until you get over yourself and drop your attitude, it's not going to matter how 'good' your resulting music is. NO ONE worth performing with on a paid stage wants to / nor will deal with a brat. (You're no Mustaine either).

Thanks. Glad at least some people got the gist of my post. :thumb:

Although most of this post falls into the category of tl;dr, I think VoiceX was not trying to spam and just get some analysis of how others felt about his bands music, although the manner in which he opted to do it wasn't the best.

I'd encourage a moderator to close this thread, before feelings get hurt, VoiceX is new here, so should be given a degree of leniency regarding his comments in this thread.

I'm sure given time he can prove to be a decent member of the community, and he actually is a pretty cool guy from the conversations we have shared thus far. I have encouraged him not to continue in the manner he has done so in this thread, and hopefully we can just delete this thread and let bygones be bygones.

Checking em out now...

Pretty freakin cool! Diggin the orchestral sounds on Lived To See. Just getting into Chapter One now... so far so good!

Very bombastic and collosal, and I mean that in a good way. I saw one comment mentioning some DT influence, and I'll have to agree. Great stuff mang, and I have a couple friends I'll be sending the link to.

On a side note, a persons tunes don't have to be perfect. It's what sounds good to YOUR ear, and it's all relative to what you like. Sure there are ways of making a certain sound more pleasing to ones ear, but in the end if you're happy with it, then that's really all that matters.

Really liking the techno feel on The Dark One's... still listening.

Mankycaaant.
You already know what I think. Besides. As I mentioned here before, I already told Mojopinuk that I will not address what I think is no longer relevant. That wasn't sarcasm. I meant it, and I take nothing back. Ill reserve the rest of my opinions. That`s all.

Plankton & musik-chik: Thank you very much! I`m not really allowed to talk further on this thread, so ill talk to you elsewhere :)

You're allowed to talk in this thread, but since you put it in the Songwriting section, people are expecting to see some lyrics. Don't use this as bait to get people to visit your website.

If you're gonna remove the self promotion, remove it from his goddamned location...

Actually, he's allowed to have his music link in his sig.
I think it was removed in response to him creating a thread pointing toward it so early after he joined... it was seen as a self-promo.

Since he's now aware of the rules, and knows he needs to do more contributing than promoting, he can police himself in that regard (and add his signature back if he wants).

Couldn't have said it better myself :)
Past if past, and you and Janszoon got the right idea on the spot, without putting me in a position where I want to retaliate. I`m not an ass hole. I`m actually a fairly nice guy, once you get to know me. But when I get BS and spiteful "constructive criticism" on a supposed "principle" basis (don't think I don't know, Dave), I return the favor. And believe me, I could go on if I wanted to. I didn't start this post by lashing at people without a reason - I was given one. And I have no intention of apologizing for any insult.

Granted I did break a rule (I guess), and that wont happen again. But I refuse to stand by and take this kinda ****, without saying something. I don't care who you are (noob, mod, "pro",admin, whatever), we are all still just people - so if you try to step on me - ill step on you. Its only fair. Call me unprofessional if you would like (as I am infact still an amateur), but taking part in the community also means being honest. And believe me when I tell you this: if I was here purely for spamming and advertising myself, not only would I not bother myself in replying here, I would spam the hell outta this site, and in every thread possible (its quite easy to do, and its fast if you open enough tabs). But I have a life, so...

Yeah I get that some people here will never like me after this.
And that`s cool. I`m not here to force people to like me.
If someone think`s their better than me - than good for them!
If someone feels that they can "educate" me on proper behavior, or give me advice - they should do so with respect (otherwise, ill just ignore the jerk, and move on). Its as simple as that.
And if someone doesn't like me, my attitude, or even my music - than good for them! they should go and use their supposed in depth knowledge, become rich and famous, and be in a position where their too busy to even bother in being on an internet forum.

That`s all I have to say.
Past is past, and this issue is closed, as far as i`m concerned.
I said what I wanted to say (more than once).
Let it be, or become ignored.

^... see, now this is exactly what I expected.

My post was removed :(

Yes your powers of observation never seize to amaze me :clap:

Fine. Since your thick, Ill make this simple.
No one cares about this anymore.
And if YOU do, than I feel sorry for you.
Now.. please.. go and do... whatever it is your do.
I dunno. Go and take more part in the community, or something.
Go and "teach" someone and spread some more of that wisdom of yours.
Hell. Maybe you should even go and create some more of that stuff you do "by choice", okay?
Great! i`m glad we have that settled! now, please... go and bother someone else :ar_15s:

OK, son, I've read myself through this thread and it didn't take me long to figure out that you think that you are the big guy around here. You talk like you know all the **** and you denigrate everybody who has criticism on you. Take mr dave, for example. He gave you constructive criticism despite the fact that your attitude is cocky and you did a piece of shameless self-promotion right there, and yet you practically stick your middlefinger in his face even though he complemented you. That ain't how it works on a forum, I mean, if you wanna have a bit of an attitude that's OK with me, but you're taking it too far by still having an ego that outmatches even mine after you obviously broke the rules. If anyone should get off hsi high horse it's you.

Mr Dave criticism has not been done respectfully, hence why I reacted this way. That`s all there is to it. And believe me, I am still being relatively nice. If he got the middle finger it was because he was begging for it. oh sure he can lean and hide behind that politically correct mask of "constructive criticism" if he likes, because that`s easy to do and people love that on the internet, and a lot of people would "buy" it. But I personally don't buy it. True, I shouldn't have opened this thread, and I have apologized for that. And I wont do that it again. But that`s all. If I have offended Mr Dave, than that`s his fault. I`m not on a high horse, i`m just defending myself. You can think whatever you want, of course. Its your god given right. But that`s all there is too it. If you think i`m full of myself, than simply ignore me and continue to tell yourself that i`m a mindless ass hole. I don't care. I have no regret, he neither does he. He is as meaningless to me, as I am to him. Its only fair. I`m trying to end this pointless debate, and move on. I`m fact, i`m still wondering why this thread is still open....

So..... again. If you think that i`m beyond logic, that i`m a talentless megalomaniac, than ignore me, take on Mr Dave`s side, and do what he should be doing - and ignore me entirely.
I have no regret and no shame, mrs piggy. If you don't like that, if you think i`m not being reasonable, than don't talk to me. Everyone`s a hero on the internet. But I am personally getting tired of having to deal with this BS, politely. People like mr Dave to me represent everything that`s negative here. I have NEVER spoken with any artist in the same manner as I have spoken to him because I personally can appreciate the effort a person puts into making his own music. But when I see a little prick like him coming off all high and mighty, as if he`s doing me a favor for giving me his "advice", than I have no intention of shutting up. I know he doesn't care about my opinion, not do I care about his, but let me tell you, if he got offended by me, than i`m glad. Oh sure, i`m being a bit childish (did I mention that i`m a little intoxicated right now?), but I honestly don't give a ****. I didn't start this, but I WILL end this. And even if I get kick outta here because of this insignificant incident, than that`s cool. That would only mean that I wasn't meant to thrive in this place, in the first place. And that I should move on.

For all I care: Mr Dave, and any other smart ass of this sort (or support), can shove their opinion where the sun don't shine.
I do not seek your approval, nor his. I enjoy making the music I like, and that`s all that matters to me: Even if I end up being a complete failure.
I make music as a hobby, and cannot afford a professional spokesmen to deal with irrelevant BS of this sort. If I ever do get to be in that position, than i`m sure that ill come more politically correct. But till than, i`m afraid that i`m going to have to resort to being honest, and expressing my opinions as I feel. Am I being professorial? no. I`m not. Am I being mature? no. I`m just being honest. And if he (or you, for that matter) cant deal, than so be it. This is only a forum to me. Nothing more, nothing less.

I know what i`m worth *music wise*, and, in a way, standing up to pricks like him helps me, so... yeah. i`m glad things have turned out this way. So yeah, maybe I have an ego when someone "attacks" me. But i`m proud of what ive done, so its all good. Regret is a weakness :) OH sure, i`m just new and he`s been here forever. Lifeless putz. So what. If anyone gives me ****, ill return the favor. That`s all there is to it. If he would have been respectful, than this would be different. I would have listened to him with an open mind. But no. He had to go all Yoda, and talk to me as if I were an idiot that doesn't know anything. Well. That was HIS mistake. And, yes, i`m more than aware that he think`s that he`s 100% right. Good for him for playing a hero on the internet. I don't care. I don't expect an apology. Him and his opinion are meaningless to me. And that`s all. And you, mrs piggy... if your still think i`m 100% wrong, than do yourself a favor, and take it somewhere else. I dunno. Get me banned or something. I know that i`m right here. And if I get kicked for standing up for myself, than so be it. That would be a shame of course, as I have indeed seen here some people that COULD in fact teach me a thing or two (like GuitarBizarre, as he has that production student kinda vibe to him), but I wont cry about anything. I take **** from no one. Not from Dave, not from mods, not from you, and not from anyone. That`s all. Take it or leave it (or get me banned). Whatever makes you feel better. Because im getting bored from talking about this BS, which is no longer really matters, anyway.

Mr. Dave/Gucci>VoiceX

That was a LOT of typing for the sake of a stupid internet argument. There are better ways to waste your time.

Good, In that case you won't be needing this thread after all.