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siamesedream 08-06-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by BTown787 (Post 715159)
Any comments? :(

Starting with something positive, as a huge Nirvana fan who's heard everything the band's done I'd say you picked some great songs. Many of the band's best songs are represented, especially the picks from Nevermind, and kudos to you for not just going to the singles and making a hits collection.

However, my honest opinion is that the mix itself is a mess as a beginner guide. It's far too heavy on live versions. More than half of the mix is live. That's just not right with a band who has 4 studio albums and plenty of other recorded material. When making a beginner guide you want to pick the best quality version of a song possible, and rarely is that a live version. If it's including something like a live version of "Polly," which they played differently at times live, or something on Unplugged that was only documented live, that's one thing - but otherwise stick to the albums and other studio recordings.

Also no new fan of the band needs to hear the old Fecal Matter demos or Kurt demoing songs like "Sliver" with a 4 track on an out of tune guitar. Remember, those things may have a certain charm for us as die hard fans - but that's because we already love these songs. You want to draw new fans in with the stuff that has the most instant appeal, but again I commend you for not being lazy and just putting on the songs everyone's heard 8 million times.

Finally, as much as I love Nirvana's covers, you're narrowing a classic discography down to 26 tracks and 5 of them are covers. That means about 20% of this beginner's guide to a band is focusing on their performance of songs they didn't even write.

I'm honestly not trying to be a ****, but that's my take on it.

Akira 08-06-2009 08:38 AM

There's a complex MB formula that, when simplified, mean that the more effort you put into a post that is actually about music, the less of a response you'll get.

jackhammer 08-06-2009 03:24 PM


EBM is a form of music that has evolved from many different influences and today it appeals to a wide cross section of fans including those into heavy Electronic music, Techno, Goth, Metal, Industrial and Dance music.

It began with taking certain asthetics of early Industrial and some Post Punk music and amalgamating with repetitive electronic beats. Various bands throughout the 80's (especially in Europe) began to pick up on this and some band introduced guitars and gruff vocals, others put atmospheric Goth leanings onto EBM creating alternative Dance music perfect for huge soundsystems and clubs whilst still retaining a non commercial appeal. This compilation is made up of various aspects of EBM ranging from the harsh techno beats of SHNARPH! and SAM to the metallic sounds of Mindless Faith and Cubanate and through to the early melodic sounds of Front 242 and Nitzer Ebb.

If you are dubious about Dance music and it's commercial aspects then this should be the perfect antidote to that with music from a thriving uncommercial underground scene that may appeal to many of you without even realising.

Tracklisting:

1. :wumpscut: - Soylent Green
2. Icon Of Coil - Remove/Replace
3. SHNARPH! - Die Eiertanz
4. Mindless Faith - I'm Pretty Much Fucked
5. Katscan - Feed and Breed
6. Dawn Of Ashes - Inhuman Salvation
7. Frontline Assembly - Dopamine
8. SAM - Eating Glass
9. Front 242 - Sample D
10.VNV Nation - Carry You
11.Instans - Treason Works
12.Nitzer Ebb - Kick It
13.Cubanate - Barbaraossa

Download here

Zer0 08-06-2009 03:31 PM

Deadly!!! :D

lucifer_sam 08-06-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 715597)
EBM (Electronic Body Music)

solid work mate. :thumb:

it would be sweet to hear a dnb or a chilled ambient mix as well.

Astronomer 08-06-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 715734)
solid work mate. :thumb:

it would be sweet to hear a dnb or a chilled ambient mix as well.

I would also love to hear a mix of this variety from you jackhammer :D

jackhammer 08-06-2009 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 715734)
solid work mate. :thumb:

it would be sweet to hear a dnb or a chilled ambient mix as well.

I will see what I can do over the weekend!

Shut Up and Dance 08-06-2009 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 715734)
solid work mate. :thumb:

it would be sweet to hear a dnb or a chilled ambient mix as well.


Scroll up from his EBM comp to find a DnB compilation.

jackhammer 08-06-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shut Up and Dance (Post 715751)
Scroll up from his EBM comp to find a DnB compilation.

I will be checking that out too. A great mix. A few names I haven't heard of and a few names missing for me (LTJ Bukem- the king of the kick bass drum) but solid enough.

BTown 08-06-2009 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by siamesedream (Post 715269)
Starting with something positive, as a huge Nirvana fan who's heard everything the band's done I'd say you picked some great songs. Many of the band's best songs are represented, especially the picks from Nevermind, and kudos to you for not just going to the singles and making a hits collection.

However, my honest opinion is that the mix itself is a mess as a beginner guide. It's far too heavy on live versions. More than half of the mix is live. That's just not right with a band who has 4 studio albums and plenty of other recorded material. When making a beginner guide you want to pick the best quality version of a song possible, and rarely is that a live version. If it's including something like a live version of "Polly," which they played differently at times live, or something on Unplugged that was only documented live, that's one thing - but otherwise stick to the albums and other studio recordings.

Also no new fan of the band needs to hear the old Fecal Matter demos or Kurt demoing songs like "Sliver" with a 4 track on an out of tune guitar. Remember, those things may have a certain charm for us as die hard fans - but that's because we already love these songs. You want to draw new fans in with the stuff that has the most instant appeal, but again I commend you for not being lazy and just putting on the songs everyone's heard 8 million times.

Finally, as much as I love Nirvana's covers, you're narrowing a classic discography down to 26 tracks and 5 of them are covers. That means about 20% of this beginner's guide to a band is focusing on their performance of songs they didn't even write.

I'm honestly not trying to be a ****, but that's my take on it.

I really appreciate that, that was my first comp ever and I definitely did come on strong so to speak with all the raw recordings and I definitely should have taken into consideration that no one besides die hard nirvana fans would give two ****s about his 4 track demos.
I really should have that of more what everyone else would like, not what I like. I'm a big fan of all the rare, raw Nirvana stuff.

If I do recall I did get into Nirvana by of course listening to all those polished Nevermind tracks and slowly working my way into getting a better liking for Bleach and I'm at were I am now.

Again, thank you, in future comps i'll take some of the things you stated into consideration.


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