The American Football Thread

Sparky · 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM

I'm just outsmarting myself too much bro. I need to make more conventional choices.

Seriously tho, did not see kaerpenick coming out slinging like that. I still like campbell

Forward To Death · 11-21-2012, 02:42 PM

He had 107 yards passing. Campbell will never amount to anything more than a mediocre QB in this league.

Sparky · 11-21-2012, 02:46 PM

I guess if we're going by numbers Christian Ponders 70 would indicate he will never be anything other than a shit qb.

Campbell was playing a top 3 defense behind the second worst offensive line in the league.

Forward To Death · 11-21-2012, 02:53 PM

Ponder threw for 198 and 2 TDs and completed 75% of his passes against that same team. Campbell has been mediocre since he busted in Washington. How many years of proof is there that Campbell is a piece of **** QB?

Sparky · 11-21-2012, 03:00 PM

He's got roughly the same passer rating as Cutler if I'm looking right.

Ponder threw for worse, against a worse team. Ponder has a better offensive line, no doubt.

Campbell had coaching issues, injury issues, while being on two poor teams. Lots of mitigating circumstances, it's not always as black and white as "campbell is a **** quaterback or a good quarterback"

Is he great? No. I do think he's solid though.

Forward To Death · 11-21-2012, 03:22 PM

LOL Cutler is much better. I'll leave it at that, I think you know more than that, or maybe you don't and that's why you think passer rating is a valid system.

And Ponder shredded the 9ers, enough said, I wasn't discussing any other game, because it's a moot point. Campbell has never ever been anything but average, and many times he's been less.

Sparky · 11-21-2012, 03:28 PM

Never did type anything to insinuate Campbell is better. I don't know why your one game statistic is more valid than an aggregate passer rating but I'm sure you have your crazy reasons.

I think Campbell has had 2 seasons without being injured. One of them being his rookie year. I don't know why im relinquishing all this info, it's moot. It only takes 1 game to en-light the crystal ball and see forever into the future.

Forward To Death · 11-21-2012, 03:41 PM

Lol, if that's the straw man you choose to go to, so be it. But Campbell sucks THROUGH THE YEARS. I've said that. He's AWFUL in the red zone, he's never had more than 20 TDs, and the guys you're trying to use to split hairs about (Ponder and Cutler) are both significantly better.

Tim Tebow had a passer rating of 90 late into last season, completing 45% of his passes, constantly going 3-and-out, and only scoring seldomly as a passer, because he didnt throw interceptions. It's true that not throwing interceptions is important (something Campbell is admittedly good at) but he isn't adequate in other aspects as a passer.

Sparky · 11-21-2012, 04:04 PM

I'm not arguing campbell is better. I don't know why you think that. I think Campbell is solid. He was about to take the raiders to the playoffs that one year, i remember being happy for him.

Forward To Death · 11-21-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by A$AP Sparky

I'm not arguing campbell is better. I don't know why you think that. I think Campbell is solid. He was about to take the raiders to the playoffs that one year, i remember being happy for him.

He's solid in that Alex Smith sort of way, yeah, but you compared him twice to better QBs, I don't know why you'd do that. It's totally beside the point that he sucked, and has never been anything other than adequate.

11-21-2012, 02:30 PM	#1331 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	I'm just outsmarting myself too much bro. I need to make more conventional choices. Seriously tho, did not see kaerpenick coming out slinging like that. I still like campbell

11-21-2012, 02:42 PM	#1332 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	He had 107 yards passing. Campbell will never amount to anything more than a mediocre QB in this league.

11-21-2012, 02:46 PM	#1333 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	I guess if we're going by numbers Christian Ponders 70 would indicate he will never be anything other than a shit qb. Campbell was playing a top 3 defense behind the second worst offensive line in the league.

11-21-2012, 02:53 PM	#1334 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Ponder threw for 198 and 2 TDs and completed 75% of his passes against that same team. Campbell has been mediocre since he busted in Washington. How many years of proof is there that Campbell is a piece of **** QB?

11-21-2012, 03:00 PM	#1335 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	He's got roughly the same passer rating as Cutler if I'm looking right. Ponder threw for worse, against a worse team. Ponder has a better offensive line, no doubt. Campbell had coaching issues, injury issues, while being on two poor teams. Lots of mitigating circumstances, it's not always as black and white as "campbell is a **** quaterback or a good quarterback" Is he great? No. I do think he's solid though.

11-21-2012, 03:22 PM	#1336 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	LOL Cutler is much better. I'll leave it at that, I think you know more than that, or maybe you don't and that's why you think passer rating is a valid system. And Ponder shredded the 9ers, enough said, I wasn't discussing any other game, because it's a moot point. Campbell has never ever been anything but average, and many times he's been less.

11-21-2012, 03:28 PM	#1337 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	Never did type anything to insinuate Campbell is better. I don't know why your one game statistic is more valid than an aggregate passer rating but I'm sure you have your crazy reasons. I think Campbell has had 2 seasons without being injured. One of them being his rookie year. I don't know why im relinquishing all this info, it's moot. It only takes 1 game to en-light the crystal ball and see forever into the future.

11-21-2012, 03:41 PM	#1338 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Lol, if that's the straw man you choose to go to, so be it. But Campbell sucks THROUGH THE YEARS. I've said that. He's AWFUL in the red zone, he's never had more than 20 TDs, and the guys you're trying to use to split hairs about (Ponder and Cutler) are both significantly better. Tim Tebow had a passer rating of 90 late into last season, completing 45% of his passes, constantly going 3-and-out, and only scoring seldomly as a passer, because he didnt throw interceptions. It's true that not throwing interceptions is important (something Campbell is admittedly good at) but he isn't adequate in other aspects as a passer.

11-21-2012, 04:04 PM	#1339 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	I'm not arguing campbell is better. I don't know why you think that. I think Campbell is solid. He was about to take the raiders to the playoffs that one year, i remember being happy for him.