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Old 03-31-2012, 04:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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To be fair, I don't consider hunting, fishing, darks, snooker, billiards, or curling to be sports either. I suppose then that I shouldn't have taken a dictionary definition including them to make my point, however, I think this argument is silly and not worth the effort of substantiating my opinion beyond "No".
Exactly this, they are games.

Sports: all forms of competitive physical activity

THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:32 PM   #12 (permalink)
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So you mean because they're playing video games for money it becomes a legit sport? Professionalism is not what makes a sport, in fact you could even argue that professionalism ruins sport, a legitimate sport is a physical activity that is at best enjoyed by amateurs. Would you consider a guy sitting in front of his TV at home playing Gears Of War an amateur sportsman?
No, I was simply pointing out arguments as to the widespread acceptance of a professional scene that seems to a lot of people to be a way of legitimising the concept of a sport.

As for Gears, no, I wouldn't consider them an amateur sportsman any more than I would consider friends playing football in the park amateur sportsmen. Their activity involves no inherent competition or reward, no necessary physical conditioning or training, and there is no reward for victory. According to the definition of athletics I posted before, and its latin root, one or all of those things must be necessary to be a sport.

They're a hobbyist. I would consider them an amateur sportsman if they began to look for a local team or something of the kind however, because then the element of competition comes in and they may be playing for a local league rather than simply for their own amusement. Obviously with Gears, thats not possible because there is no wider competitive angle. With an FPS or RTS however, where online play is integral and therefore competition with others is also integral, then sure, I could consider an amateur status there.

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Exactly this, they are games.

Sports: all forms of competitive physical activity

THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!
Physical activity would include dexterity, yes?

Even then, I point again to the fact the olympic committee does classify many sports with low physical but high dexterity requirements as legitimate sports.

Including Chess.
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Exactly this, they are games.

Sports: all forms of competitive physical activity

THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!
If that's true, why are they listed under examples of sports at dictionary.com? Are we choosing what words mean now, according to our biases?
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If that's true, why are they listed under examples of sports at dictionary.com? Are we choosing what words mean now, according to our biases?
No were choosing by physical activity.....
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No were choosing by physical activity.....
According to dictionary.com, hunting, fishing, and racing qualify as physical activities. That's all there is to it.
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No were choosing by physical activity.....
Except that no definition of sport defines that as meaning strenuous physical activity, and every definition I can find lists physical activity alongside the concept of dexterity or skill.

There is no definition of sports or athletics that states solely that a sport must require strenuous rather than simply practiced physical activity.
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Except that no definition of sport defines that as meaning strenuous physical activity, and every definition I can find lists physical activity alongside the concept of dexterity or skill.

There is no definition of sports or athletics that states solely that a sport must require strenuous rather than simply practiced physical activity.
Use common sense then. Billiards requires physical activity by your standards. So does that mean brushing your teeth with others is also a sport? How about going to the bathroom?
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Use common sense then. Billiards requires physical activity by your standards. So does that mean brushing your teeth with others is also a sport? How about going to the bathroom?
Are any of those done competitively? Are those at all considered past times? No? Guess you have your answer then.
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Are any of those done competitively? Are those at all considered past times? No? Guess you have your answer then.
CLearly my point entailed that they were being done competitively. Please save me the smartass answers.
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CLearly my point entailed that they were being done competitively. Please save me the smartass answers.
I don't know them to be done competitively, so no they aren't sports.
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