Le Tour De France 2012

derek · 08-25-2012, 01:44 PM

Lance almost pulled off the greatest fraud in history though Milli Vanilli begs to differ!

derek · 08-25-2012, 01:56 PM

Jonathan Vaughters who worked closely with Armstrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...=1&ref=opinion

Lance's best friend, Hincapie testifies against him. He then provided evidence about Armstrong and the organized doping on their teams to the antidoping agency.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/sp...pagewanted=all

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

But if nearly everybody is doing doping, is it really cheating?

It is cheating no matter even if they are all doing it, it doesn't mean it's right.

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It is cheating no matter even if they are all doing it, it doesn't mean it's right.

I'm not saying its right, its just the way things are.

You have to remember that cycling is a sport of extremes, I very much doubt the high levels of excitement could be achieved if the riders were not on some kind of drugs. These riders need some help as well, in being able to recover between races and natural rest I doubt could do it sufficiently. I once remember reading that doing a Tour de France could take 3 years off a man's life, whether that is true or not, it demonstrates the severity of the sport.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I'm not saying its right, its just the way things are.

You have to remember that cycling is a sport of extremes, I very much doubt the high levels of excitement could be achieved if the riders were not on some kind of drugs. These riders need some help as well, in being able to recover between races and natural rest I doubt could do it sufficiently. I once remember reading that doing a Tour de France could take 3 years off a man's life, whether that is true or not, it demonstrates the severity of the sport.

Blimey that's awful, it makes you wonder if it's even worth it. Well if most riders do it because it's necessary then why are they always getting drug tested so much?

This reminds me of our steroid free Kiwi shot putter Valerie who unfortunately came second to a woman who was on steroids, thus Valerie was then given a gold medal. I think dopers are dispicable, they're taking away opportunities to win from honest and hard working athletes.

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Blimey that's awful, it makes you wonder if it's even worth it. Well if most riders do it because it's necessary then why are they always getting drug tested so much?

This reminds me of our steroid free Kiwi shot putter Valerie who unfortunately came second to a woman who was on steroids, thus Valerie was then given a gold medal. I think dopers are dispicable, they're taking away opportunities to win from honest and hard working athletes.

They're getting tested because doping in sport can't be condoned and rightly so, but cycling is the exception imo. The only solution is for everybody to expect less from the riders and to make the cycling calender less demanding, but will they do that? I think not because as always money is involved.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

They're getting tested because doping in sport can't be condoned and rightly so, but cycling is the exception imo. The only solution is for everybody to expect less from the riders and to make the cycling calender less demanding, but will they do that? I think not because as always money is involved.

Very good point, money is one of the main drivers of cycling in competitons as well as recognition as being the top cyclist in the world. There are plenty of egos that need boosting so doping is the easier way to achieve glory.

Alfred · 08-25-2012, 05:56 PM

Shame Neil Armstrong won't get to be in any more Tour De Frances.

Burning Down · 08-25-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfred

Shame Neil Armstrong won't get to be in any more Tour De Frances.

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Very good point, money is one of the main drivers of cycling in competitons as well as recognition as being the top cyclist in the world. There are plenty of egos that need boosting so doping is the easier way to achieve glory.

The teams demand success from their riders and the sponsors demand success from the teams. The teams have a quota of how many riders they can have due to budget restrictions. So if you're a rider that's going for glory you're going to take whatever help you can get, especially when you think that your rivals are probably doing doping as well. Also the lesser known riders who run on yearly contracts. have got to fight to stay in a team or lose their place to an up and coming amateur, therefore they'll consider doping to maintain or improve their level and stay on a team.

Every single year a whole load of riders of all levels are banned for doping for a set time period, they say its going down and the sport is cleaning up, but over the last decade I've noticed roughly the same amounts of riders being caught for doping. Also this year a rider called Frank Schleck was banned for doping in the Tour de France, now if anybody had asked me which riders probably didn't do doping, I would have suggested him! So what does that tell you about the extent of doping in the sport.

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