The European football thread

**Goofle** · 06-06-2013, 06:50 PM

I think the definition of World Class is not looking out of place in any team in the World (not being in a World XI).

Put Walcott in Barca's team and I reckon they would have improved. Same with Bayern.

Hart wouldn't improve either of those teams but I doubt he would be a cause for contention.

14232949 · 06-06-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

Taking the piss. He's not top 5.

Casillas
Neuer
Vorm
Guzan
De Gea
Buffon

All of these have either had a better season or are just better full stop. This is off the top of my head.

Buffon and Casillas are about 100 years old. De Gea is the epitome of 'plethora of mistakes' and Vorm?! Guzan?! May as well have chucked in Heurelho Gomes while you're at it.
How can you justify Brad Guzan being world class? He wouldn't get a game with any team in the Premier League capable of a Top ten finish.

The only credible name on the list is Neuer. And personally I'd take either Akinfeev, Muslera or Cech over him.

**Goofle** · 06-06-2013, 06:55 PM

Buffon is the best of all time, and 2nd best currently (due to his slight decline and Neuer's incredible performances).

~~Cuthbert~~ · 06-06-2013, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

Buffon and Casillas are about 100 years old. De Gea is the epitome of 'plethora of mistakes' and Vorm?! Guzan?! May as well have chucked in Heurelho Gomes while you're at it.
How can you justify Brad Guzan being world class? He wouldn't get a game with any team in the Premier League capable of a Top ten finish.

The only credible name on the list is Neuer. And personally I'd take either Akinfeev, Muslera or Cech over him.

No chance. De Gea has had a brilliant season you're just regurgitating the tabloids there.

Guzan has had a better season than Hart, I did not for a second say Guzan is world class. He isn't. Nor is Hart.

I'll elaborate more tomorrow when I've got more time as I've got to be up early but Walcott and Hart aren't world class. They have no consistency. That's their problem.

Was Kevin Philips world class in 2001? Adebayor after then? Fuck me.

14232949 · 06-06-2013, 07:13 PM

they're world class because they possess attributes that separate them from other great players. that put them on the next level.
Walcott his frightening pace and acceleration, possibly the worlds best. That is what makes him world class. He is probably the best in the world at that element of play.

As for combining the total package into a goalkeeper, currently I don't think there's a more complete keeper than Hart. That is why I give him the distinction of being world class, I don't believe any other keeper is as well-rounded as Hart.

Adebayor has the skill no doubt, he just struggles to apply himself. He's definitely inconsistent and that has blighted his game. We don't know fully what he is capable of because he's up and down. Find him a manager that fully backs him and a system that plays around him and we'll see.

Phillips scored goals. That doesn't make you world class. How many of them were scored in the 6 yard box or from set pieces? How many of his goals were a result of individual brilliance. It's not like he was the best striker of his time either. Just happened to score goals in that particular season. Like Darren Bent when he was at Charlton or Michu last year at Swansea.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 06-06-2013, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

they're world class because they possess attributes that separate them from other great players. that put them on the next level.
Walcott his frightening pace and acceleration, possibly the worlds best. That is what makes him world class. He is probably the best in the world at that element of play.

Walcott is world class cos he can run fast? Are you for real?

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As for combining the total package into a goalkeeper, currently I don't think there's a more complete keeper than Hart. That is why I give him the distinction of being world class, I don't believe any other keeper is as well-rounded as Hart.

He has had one good season. One. He has had a diabolical season this year. Form is temporary, class is permanent. He's yet to prove his class, that's not hating that is fact. Cristiano didn't get the bestowed world class label until two season of freakish form. I don't see why these two should get it after one.

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Adebayor has the skill no doubt, he just struggles to apply himself. He's definitely inconsistent and that has blighted his game. We don't know fully what he is capable of because he's up and down. Find him a manager that fully backs him and a system that plays around him and we'll see.

Ade is not world clas, that's my point. He has one good season.

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Phillips scored goals. That doesn't make you world class. How many of them were scored in the 6 yard box or from set pieces? How many of his goals were a result of individual brilliance. It's not like he was the best striker of his time either. Just happened to score goals in that particular season. Like Darren Bent when he was at Charlton or Michu last year at Swansea.

Tbh I don't think you even know. Nor do I. Philips had one season where he scored 30+. It didn't make him world class. It was merely a sustained period of good form.

I'm really off now but good discussion from you both. Will post again tomorrow evening.

Jabonator · 06-09-2013, 03:07 AM

Lol @ Walcott improving Barca or Bayern. He can run. That's it. He's a winger that can't cross to save his life. Cole hasn't been the best LB for a while now. That's between Alba and Alaba. Hart is world class. Not top 5, but world class. Gerrard and Lampard are old ****s.

**Goofle** · 06-09-2013, 05:23 AM

Walcot >>>>> Pedro, Sanchez and Tello. He would improve Barca instantly.

Walcott >>>> Robben and Muller. Therefore he improves Bayern.

Not gonna debate it as I firmly believe it. If you disagree that's fine.

Jabonator · 06-15-2013, 10:02 AM

Lol no.

**Goofle** · 06-15-2013, 10:39 AM

Which part don't you agree with. He's miles better than the Barca players I mentioned.

06-06-2013, 07:13 PM	#255 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	they're world class because they possess attributes that separate them from other great players. that put them on the next level. Walcott his frightening pace and acceleration, possibly the worlds best. That is what makes him world class. He is probably the best in the world at that element of play. As for combining the total package into a goalkeeper, currently I don't think there's a more complete keeper than Hart. That is why I give him the distinction of being world class, I don't believe any other keeper is as well-rounded as Hart. Adebayor has the skill no doubt, he just struggles to apply himself. He's definitely inconsistent and that has blighted his game. We don't know fully what he is capable of because he's up and down. Find him a manager that fully backs him and a system that plays around him and we'll see. Phillips scored goals. That doesn't make you world class. How many of them were scored in the 6 yard box or from set pieces? How many of his goals were a result of individual brilliance. It's not like he was the best striker of his time either. Just happened to score goals in that particular season. Like Darren Bent when he was at Charlton or Michu last year at Swansea.

06-09-2013, 03:07 AM	#257 (permalink)
Jabonator Groupie Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Finland Posts: 32	Lol @ Walcott improving Barca or Bayern. He can run. That's it. He's a winger that can't cross to save his life. Cole hasn't been the best LB for a while now. That's between Alba and Alaba. Hart is world class. Not top 5, but world class. Gerrard and Lampard are old ****s.

06-15-2013, 10:02 AM	#259 (permalink)
Jabonator Groupie Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Finland Posts: 32	Lol no.