Let's talk about God for a minute, shall we?

FRED HALE SR. · 01-30-2014, 09:13 AM

There will never be a winner in these discussions. Stat hounds are gonna point out Mannings clear win in that area and others will look to championships which I agree are a team stat. I heard the same argument about Dan Marino and Montana for years. I love Marino but Montana was the greatest playoff quarterback that ever lived. Brady reminds me alot of Montana and Marino/Manning.

YorkeDaddy · 01-30-2014, 09:18 AM

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There will never be a winner in these discussions. Stat hounds are gonna point out Mannings clear win in that area and others will look to championships which I agree are a team stat. I heard the same argument about Dan Marino and Montana for years. I love Marino but Montana was the greatest playoff quarterback that ever lived. Brady reminds me alot of Montana and Marino/Manning.

Its really hard to ignore Montana's 4-0 and 11/0 TD/INT ratio in Super Bowls for me. Thats just bafflingly amazing

FRED HALE SR. · 01-30-2014, 09:33 AM

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Its really hard to ignore Montana's 4-0 and 11/0 TD/INT ratio in Super Bowls for me. Thats just bafflingly amazing

Not only was he the most clutch qb of alltime in big games, he had the greatest offensive mind of the era in Bill Walsh. The argument always comes back to Montana having an embrassment of riches and he did, but he still had to make the plays. I still have a vhs of the chicken soup bowl game against Houston. Dude was amazing.

WWWP · 01-30-2014, 09:54 AM

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TheBig3 · 01-30-2014, 10:44 AM

That rings alone are a poor argument and that Peyton Manning is also a god along with your man crush Brady

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 01-30-2014, 02:22 PM

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First of all, Brady didn't fight for ****. The right pieces fell into place for him. If Drew Bledsoe had never gotten hurt, Tom Brady probably would have never even been an NFL starter. He then proceeded to ride an incredible defense and kicker while being taught by the greatest coach of all-time for a few seasons, and THEN Brady became the excellent quarterback he is today. Brady was not that great for his first few seasons.

Anyway, the top 3 is definitely 1. Montana 2. Manning 3. Brady. Montana was 4-0 in Super Bowls and never threw an interception versus 11 touchdowns in those Super Bowls. He was untouchable.

Montana literally paved the way for modern day NFL offenses. The Patriots offense every year is basically a modified version of what Montana and Bill Walsh revolutionized. No one really has the resume that Montana has, unless Manning plays another year and lights it up again or unless Brady dominates for a few more seasons.

So brady was handed everythin but montana was only given a hall of fame coach/one of the greatest offensive minds ever and the unanimous best wr ever??

Brady came from the 6th round. .... literally unheard of stuff

YorkeDaddy · 01-30-2014, 04:48 PM

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So brady was handed everythin but montana was only given a hall of fame coach/one of the greatest offensive minds ever and the unanimous best wr ever??

Brady came from the 6th round. .... literally unheard of stuff

And Montana was round 3, 82nd overall. Not that big of a difference.

It took more than just Walsh's vision, it took a quarterback capable enough of implementing the scheme. Brady was given Randy Moss, who talent-wise may be the greatest (but he never quite put all the talent together unlike Rice so there's that). Let's just agree that both Montana and Brady were put in very favorable situations. Now let's look at stats.

When you look at stats, Montana and Brady are really similar until you look at postseason stats which is where the scales tip for Montana.

Montana's playoff stats:
16-7 record, 62.67% completions, 5772 yards, 45-21 td/int ratio, 7.86 Y/A

Brady's playoff stats:
18-8 record, 62.11% completions, 6424 yards, 43-22 td/int ratio, 6.76 Y/A

I mean Montana is CLEARLY better and it's not very close. Montana demolishes him in yards/attempt (the best metric for quarterback efficiency) and has more touchdowns in less games to complement the superior td/int ratio. He edges Brady in completion percentage and would project to pass Brady in yards with the same sample size, since Brady has 3 more playoff games under his belt.

If you compare Super Bowl stats it's a joke, Montana is the best Super Bowl quarterback of all-time and there's no contest.

So again, it's pretty similar, but you see that Montana starts to have the edge quite a bit in the postseason, and then there's Montana's 4-0 SB record which is still team-oriented blah blah but Montana's 11/0 TD's in Super Bowls is superhuman. There's just nothing really there to convince me Brady deserves to be called better than Montana.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 01-30-2014, 05:02 PM

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And Montana was round 3, 82nd overall. Not that big of a difference.

It took more than just Walsh's vision, it took a quarterback capable enough of implementing the scheme. Brady was given Randy Moss, who talent-wise may be the greatest (but he never quite put all the talent together unlike Rice so there's that). Let's just agree that both Montana and Brady were put in very favorable situations. Now let's look at stats.

When you look at stats, Montana and Brady are really similar until you look at postseason stats which is where the scales tip for Montana.

Montana's playoff stats:
16-7 record, 62.67% completions, 5772 yards, 45-21 td/int ratio, 7.86 Y/A

Brady's playoff stats:
18-8 record, 62.11% completions, 6424 yards, 43-22 td/int ratio, 6.76 Y/A

I mean Montana is CLEARLY better and it's not very close. Montana demolishes him in yards/attempt (the best metric for quarterback efficiency) and has more touchdowns in less games to complement the superior td/int ratio. He edges Brady in completion percentage and would project to pass Brady in yards with the same sample size, since Brady has 3 more playoff games under his belt.

If you compare Super Bowl stats it's a joke, Montana is the best Super Bowl quarterback of all-time and there's no contest.

So again, it's pretty similar, but you see that Montana starts to have the edge quite a bit in the postseason, and then there's Montana's 4-0 SB record which is still team-oriented blah blah but Montana's 11/0 TD's in Super Bowls is superhuman. There's just nothing really there to convince me Brady deserves to be called better than Montana.

I feel like u just said montana was clearly better in the postseason but then posted a bunch of stats that don't support that. Theyre pretty equal. There's a big difference between 3rd and 6th rounds. Brady is a study freak like peyton and that's wh y hes insanely successful

Brady lost his 5 top receivers and still went to the afc title gm this yr

YorkeDaddy · 01-30-2014, 05:07 PM

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I feel like u just said montana was clearly better in the postseason but then posted a bunch of stats that don't support that. Theyre pretty equal. There's a big difference between 3rd and 6th rounds. Brady is a study freak like peyton and that's wh y hes insanely successful

Brady lost his 5 top receivers and still went to the afc title gm this yr

Pretty equal? You clearly just don't look at football stats as much as me...being an entire yard ahead in Y/A is enormous. Having 2 more touchdowns than Brady through three less games is also enormous. Being half a percent ahead of Brady in completion percentage is very significant; Brady would have to go like 25/27 or something absurd in five straight games to make up that difference at this point.

Bro, these are not marginal differences. Montana is superior in every category, and in some of the categories the difference is massive. I'm a statistics nerd, I'm not sure what else I can say here besides...start studying statistics.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 01-30-2014, 05:09 PM

Your exagerating very small stat differences. Yards/attempt is not that meaningful of a stat

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~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	Your exagerating very small stat differences. Yards/attempt is not that meaningful of a stat