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butthead aka 216 01-31-2014 08:00 AM

The margin between the two in most stats is so small that its meaningless. Yds/att can be attributed to style ir system. I kno ignorin that fits ur narrative better tho lol. Plus its not real important.

YorkeDaddy 01-31-2014 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1412121)
The margin between the two in most stats is so small that its meaningless. Yds/att can be attributed to style ir system. I kno ignorin that fits ur narrative better tho lol. Plus its not real important.

And that's again just remarkably untrue.

Brady has played in three more playoff games than Montana. Brady has thrown less touchdowns in the playoffs than Montana. Montana would project to have about 10 more touchdowns than Brady with the same amount of games played. That is not "so small it's meaningless".

It's the same with the total yards. Brady has 700 more total yards than Montana. Montana would on average get 300 yards a game, so if he played in three more games to get the same sample size, Montana would project to have 200 more overall playoff yards in the same amount of games. Again, definitely not so small that it's meaningless.

The yards/attempt show that Montana was CONSIDERABLY more deadly on any given pass play, much more efficient, and much more effective. He beat defenses way more than Brady beat defenses. You can blame system all you want, Montana was literally factually better at gaining yards than Brady.

These are three stats that Montana has a clear, concise, noticeable, significant advantage.

butthead aka 216 01-31-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412122)
And that's again just remarkably untrue.

Brady has played in three more playoff games than Montana. Brady has thrown less touchdowns in the playoffs than Montana. Montana would project to have about 10 more touchdowns than Brady with the same amount of games played. That is not "so small it's meaningless".

It's the same with the total yards. Brady has 700 more total yards than Montana. Montana would on average get 300 yards a game, so if he played in three more games to get the same sample size, Montana would project to have 200 more overall playoff yards in the same amount of games. Again, definitely not so small that it's meaningless.

The yards/attempt show that Montana was CONSIDERABLY more deadly on any given pass play, much more efficient, and much more effective. He beat defenses way more than Brady beat defenses. You can blame system all you want, Montana was literally factually better at gaining yards than Brady.

These are three stats that Montana has a clear, concise, noticeable, significant advantage.

i will keep disagreeing that yds/att is an important stat here. youve watched brady and know their style lol which makes it more mind bogglin to me you put so much value into one pretty meaningless stat. you've seen brady march down the field with 5 yards passes time and time again so its shockin to me.

this all started when you commented that brady had it all handed to him... which monetana did too lmao. probably moreso actually


regular season its not that close, brady is far superior. so in conclusion brady has a huge edge in teh regular season and montana has a slight edge in superbowls... to me thats brady bein better.

TheBig3 02-01-2014 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1412117)
I think you're a dangerously unintelligent moron that is trying to play an immature little passive aggressive game like my four year old brother does and you should probably read my edit above. If you don't understand that edit there's no hope for you.

That's a little uncalled for.

Forward To Death 02-01-2014 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1412116)
His yds/att is high he mudt be better


Think ya missed the point there pal lol

I think you're seriously underrating the YPA stat. It literally shows how efficient a QB is at gaining yards through the air, but the reason Culpepper isn't as good as Brady has nothing to do with that. It's longevity. Culpepper blew out his knee and was never the same again. Brady on the other hand, has always been above-average to great for a much longer time. Awful comparison, why not compare him to Manning, who has better YPA, has played longer, and is superior in nearly every statistical category. The only way you can compare Brady to God at this point is that neither will be relevant this Sunday.

butthead aka 216 02-01-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1412545)
I think you're seriously underrating the YPA stat. It literally shows how efficient a QB is at gaining yards through the air, but the reason Culpepper isn't as good as Brady has nothing to do with that. It's longevity. Culpepper blew out his knee and was never the same again. Brady on the other hand, has always been above-average to great for a much longer time. Awful comparison, why not compare him to Manning, who has better YPA, has played longer, and is superior in nearly every statistical category. The only way you can compare Brady to god at this point is that neither will be relevant this Sunday.

i wasnt actually sayin culpepper was better lmao

i think you missed the point as well

ypa is not that meaningful of a stat. like with most all stats there would be amazin flaw in over estimatin it since theres no difference between a 5 yard slant pass to jerry rice that he takes 80 yards or a 60 yard bomb to someone. its all the same in the stat. theres no sense in over ratin it.

Forward To Death 02-01-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1412546)
i wasnt actually sayin culpepper was better lmao

i think you missed the point as well

Lolol. I think you missed the point, Butter.

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ypa is not that meaningful of a stat. like with most all stats there would be amazin flaw in over estimatin it since theres no difference between a 5 yard slant pass to jerry rice that he takes 80 yards or a 60 yard bomb to someone. its all the same in the stat. theres no sense in over ratin it.
Explain how it's not meaningful. Wouldn't you agree that someone who has more yards per attempt on an equal amount of attempts was the more productive QB? If you don't, you're obviously not very smart lol.

butthead aka 216 02-01-2014 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1412548)
Lolol. I think you missed the point, Butter.



Explain how it's not meaningful. Wouldn't you agree that someone who has more yards per attempt on an equal amount of attempts was the more productive QB? If you don't, you're obviously not very smart lol.

:bonkhead::laughing::laughing::rofl::rofl:

i literally just explained it. this is startin to feel like the nba thread now :o:

Forward To Death 02-01-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216 (Post 1412549)
:bonkhead::laughing::laughing::rofl::rofl:

i literally just explained it. this is startin to feel like the nba thread now :o:

Well I was asking for an explanation that might actually, you know, have some validity to it. If you're saying that one example of someone throwing a 5 yard pass that goes for 60+ yards is the achilles heel of YPA, then you're obviously very confused about the nature of the game, since any QB can throw a screen pass that goes for 50+. It'd be like saying YPC is overrated because you can break one every now and then.

butthead aka 216 02-01-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death (Post 1412551)
Well I was asking for an explanation that might actually, you know, have some validity to it. If you're saying that one example of someone throwing a 5 yard pass that goes for 60+ yards is the achilles heel of YPA, then you're obviously very confused about the nature of the game, since any QB can throw a screen pass that goes for 50+. It'd be like saying YPC is overrated because you can break one every now and then.

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