The progression of this thread......

Yorke says brady had it handed to him
Ignores mobtana had best wr ever
Cites near identical stats from brady n montana
Says 3rd n 6th round is the same
Says yds/att is a crucial stat
Claims hes smarter than everyone


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Big3 is right brady is god. Fluke plays only thing preventin him from a handful of rings

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have a nice day

some more articles explaining why yards/attempt matters:

http://www.docsports.com/2008/yards-...tempt-105.html
Quote from that article: "There is simply no better shortcut to assess an offense or to compare two."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...than-you-think
Quote from that article: "All of this says to me that a player who has a better yards per attempt statistic has a better chance of leading his team to victory."

http://sportsgambling.about.com/od/2...on/a/yppa2.htm
Quote from that article: "Teams with a Yards Per Pass Attempt of 7.2 or higher receive a plus for offense, while teams with a 7.0 or lower receive a minus for offense."

http://voices.yahoo.com/the-importan...329.html?cat=9
Quote from that article: "It will show that the best quarterbacks will have high YPPA as they are able to throw the ball well all season."

http://smartfootball.blogspot.com/20...r-attempt.html
Quote from that article: "Average yards per attempt is the most important stat for measuring efficiency"

http://mule.he.net/~budsport/pub/killer.php
Bud Goode, legendary football statistician who is more educated than you will ever be: "The single most meaningful independent statistic in pro football is Yards Per Pass Attempt Differential." [This is a slightly modified version of Y/A that includes how defenses do against the OPPONENT'S yards/attempt...which even further shows how important it is]

But yeah, you know more about football than Bud Goode. How dare I question the almighty butthead aka 216.

Sigh. Still ignorin context. I imagine yorke sitting in an office scowerin message boards so he can yell at ppl to tell them ppl like daunte culpepper n big ben are better than brady n brees cause of their yds/att lol

Still ignoring basic facts due to an immense immature bias and ignorance. Brady's playoff stats are still utterly fantastic, and he's the second greatest postseason quarterback of all-time. However, Montana has a clear advantage and anyone intelligent enough to look at the facts with objectivity can see it and there are plenty of advanced metrics that suggest it as well.

Is culpepper better than brady??

well hmmmmm lets look

well gee, tom brady is better in 99% of statistics. what a hard thing to determine. gosh what a good argument you really have a great grasp of reality because daunte culpepper is totally comparable to joe montana im very proud of you for straining that brain of yours

here let me spell it out for you as clearly as i possibly can: you can have a better y/a than somebody and not be better than them. joe montana has a way better yards per attempts, and that's already ON TOP OF Montana being slightly better in completion percentage, touchdowns, and TD/Int ratio. The yards/attempt difference makes it even considerably MORE clear and Montana is flat objectively superior in the postseason.

His yds/att is high he mudt be better


Think ya missed the point there pal lol

I think you're a dangerously unintelligent moron that is trying to play an immature little passive aggressive game like my four year old brother does and you should probably read my edit above. If you don't understand that edit there's no hope for you.

The margin between the two in most stats is so small that its meaningless. Yds/att can be attributed to style ir system. I kno ignorin that fits ur narrative better tho lol. Plus its not real important.

And that's again just remarkably untrue.

Brady has played in three more playoff games than Montana. Brady has thrown less touchdowns in the playoffs than Montana. Montana would project to have about 10 more touchdowns than Brady with the same amount of games played. That is not "so small it's meaningless".

It's the same with the total yards. Brady has 700 more total yards than Montana. Montana would on average get 300 yards a game, so if he played in three more games to get the same sample size, Montana would project to have 200 more overall playoff yards in the same amount of games. Again, definitely not so small that it's meaningless.

The yards/attempt show that Montana was CONSIDERABLY more deadly on any given pass play, much more efficient, and much more effective. He beat defenses way more than Brady beat defenses. You can blame system all you want, Montana was literally factually better at gaining yards than Brady.

These are three stats that Montana has a clear, concise, noticeable, significant advantage.

i will keep disagreeing that yds/att is an important stat here. youve watched brady and know their style lol which makes it more mind bogglin to me you put so much value into one pretty meaningless stat. you've seen brady march down the field with 5 yards passes time and time again so its shockin to me.

this all started when you commented that brady had it all handed to him... which monetana did too lmao. probably moreso actually


regular season its not that close, brady is far superior. so in conclusion brady has a huge edge in teh regular season and montana has a slight edge in superbowls... to me thats brady bein better.

That's a little uncalled for.

I think you're seriously underrating the YPA stat. It literally shows how efficient a QB is at gaining yards through the air, but the reason Culpepper isn't as good as Brady has nothing to do with that. It's longevity. Culpepper blew out his knee and was never the same again. Brady on the other hand, has always been above-average to great for a much longer time. Awful comparison, why not compare him to Manning, who has better YPA, has played longer, and is superior in nearly every statistical category. The only way you can compare Brady to God at this point is that neither will be relevant this Sunday.

i wasnt actually sayin culpepper was better lmao

i think you missed the point as well

ypa is not that meaningful of a stat. like with most all stats there would be amazin flaw in over estimatin it since theres no difference between a 5 yard slant pass to jerry rice that he takes 80 yards or a 60 yard bomb to someone. its all the same in the stat. theres no sense in over ratin it.

Lolol. I think you missed the point, Butter.

Explain how it's not meaningful. Wouldn't you agree that someone who has more yards per attempt on an equal amount of attempts was the more productive QB? If you don't, you're obviously not very smart lol.

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i literally just explained it. this is startin to feel like the nba thread now :o:

Well I was asking for an explanation that might actually, you know, have some validity to it. If you're saying that one example of someone throwing a 5 yard pass that goes for 60+ yards is the achilles heel of YPA, then you're obviously very confused about the nature of the game, since any QB can throw a screen pass that goes for 50+. It'd be like saying YPC is overrated because you can break one every now and then.

lawl


west coast offense

Lulz erhardt-perkins

>talkin about short passes that let wrs run after the catch
>reference west coast offense aka best offense for exactly that
>you respond with offense not designed for that


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Do you even know what the Erhardt-Perkins offense is?

of course. they throw short passes too. ive mentioned that pages ago lol. but the west coast system was built for exactly that

im not evne sure what argument youre attemptin to make

i guess that yds/att is a valuable stat cause pats run a specific offense?? lol really not sure

Well the WCO utilizes deep passes pretty often as well, despite it's reputation as a short yardage scheme. If it didn't, teams would just play man-to-man, and that wouldn't be a very effective scheme, using short yardage passes against man-to-man is like trying to run when the other team is blitzing the house in a 46 package. So, you mix it up, just like with every other scheme, to try and keep the defense on their heels. This is called randomizing your playcalls, and Bill Walsh was the best at it.

And no, that's not the argument I'm trying to make. It's that YPA isn't a useless stat because you think that completing a short pass that goes a long way is somehow a valid argument, when in reality every good scheme utilizes a mix of short and deep passes, as well as the run. In a nutshell, you only had to read one sentence to see what I was getting at, I asked you if a 2 QBs with the same amount of attempts, the same amount of TDs and the same amount of INTs are being compared, but one has more YPA, then wouldn't that make the one with more YPA the more productive QB? It absolutely, literally does make him the more productive QB.

Its weird that I strongly disagree with you in the NBA thread but strongly agree with you in this thread, while I conversely strongly agree with butthead in the NBA thread and strongly disagree with him in this thread.

The weirdest part is that I use consistent statistical backing for all of my arguments so the fact that you guys both flip-flop with me so hard suggests logical inconsistency.

Its weird that I strongly disagree with you in the NBA thread but strongly agree with you in this thread, while I conversely strongly agree with butthead in the NBA thread and strongly disagree with him in this thread. You're making the same argument I've been making the whole time, butthead is just clearly incapable of thinking about football in this way. Literally the greatest football statisticians alive considering yards per attempt a crucial stat, and that's all the convincing I even need. I bet butthead was the type of guy that always thought he was smarter than his teachers in high school lol.

If every expert in a field as black and white as football statistics agrees that something matters a lot, THEN IT PROBABLY MATTERS

The weirdest part is that I use consistent statistical backing for all of my arguments so the fact that you guys both flip-flop with me so hard suggests logical inconsistency.

>pretendin stats tell the whole story
>pretendin takin a stat class make you right about sports

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fod, my contention is that its not a very meaningful stat. you can look at the all-time yds/att leaders. in no way are some of the higher rated guys better qbs than some of the lower ranked one.. i know this cause i watch the games :D as for ur question i dont think you can say that. that stat tells me how many yards pet attempt - it doesnt tell me how. lol thats not tough to grasp. why would i allow such a minute stat to tell such a broad story?? sounds dumb to me

The only way to argue anything in sports with objectivity is by using numbers. Anyone with a decent grasp of ANYTHING (not just in statistics) wants FACTS to back up any argument. You clearly didnt go to college. You can argue your bs all day, but without provable numerical facts your argument holds no water whatsoever.

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Congratulations, you've reached the pinnacle of what not to say when forming an argument. You should be proud of yourself.

No one asked how the yards were gained, I asked is the QB who gains more yards per attempt more productive. Honestly, I wasn't even "asking", really, I knew the answer (yes, someone who is literally more productive is more productive LOLGASP). I was just trying to see if you had any concept of logic and objectivity, and you clearly do not.

pretty much the exact point i was making


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It's an entirely separate argument how the yards are gained, and unfortunately there's no way that you can back the argument that Player A gains his yards in a way that is superior to Player B's yards. For that reason, YPA is a very good stat, and generally players who have higher YPA are the best QBs. Ask any scout, one thing they look for in college QBs are the ones who have high YPA that aren't playing a complete cupcake schedule. Football is as much a numbers game as anything.

God is

...consciousness.

They are so rich. Brady makes about $20M, she makes about $90M.

brady is the man and im not even a pats fan. i just appreciate and respect greatness at the highest levels and brady has been doin it for yrs



he panders more to the upper class with his ads and commercials and stuff and i can see why ppl hate him. but dude was a 6th string college qb and is now arguably the greatest ever. hes put in the work and deserves the success


i dont even think giselle is that hott tbh but its funny that she makes more than him and he seems so much more recognizable and famous in american culture

He lost his most respected record, number of TD's in a season, this past year to Manning