Muhammad Ali.
The Messi comment made me laugh, i think someone needs to turn off Sky Sports News and get out more. He isn't even the greatest footballer of all time, never mind the greatest sportsman of all time. Lionel Messi hahahaha. |
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Mess is the greatest footballer of all time with no real close competitor. The icons of the past like Cruyff, El Diego, Puskas were not as good for the simple fact that the sport has massively moved on since their time. Advancements in tactics, training, diet, equipment, pitches and so on. The most you can say is that they were the best in their generation. Now you can say if they had the same environment as Messi they would be better (they wouldn't) but they didn't and that's just tough. BTW genuinely pleased to see you back Nurse Duckett :) |
Dominik hasek is to goaltenders as gretzky is to players
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Also Ryan Giggs won 13 Premier League titles so... |
ya # of championships is not a good test for how good an individual player is
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Definitely not in a team sport. Very flawed argument.
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I'm biased as a Bruins fan, but I give the edge to Orr over Gretzky. It's more than just an offensive game. Orr was dominant in every phase of the game, which I just don't think Gretzky was. I definitely understand the longevity argument though; it is easily the main thing going against Orr. I still think his complete game makes up for that though. |
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The Messi thing isn't really a matter of opinion, and the game moving massively forwards is your opinion but unfortunately its a wrong opinion, if you don't mind me saying it does smell a little bit of Sky/modernmedia propaganda. The game has gone backwards in the last 15-20 years, all they've done is stopped tackling, this makes the game easier for players like Messi. I wouldn't put him in the same class as Maradona or Cryuff or Zidane or Platini ( I'll stop at 4 names, I could have gone on), he wouldn't have been given the same freedom or protection on a football pitch as he gets today. If I'm honest I presumed that the person that suggested Messi is the greatest sportsman of all time was on the wind up and just looking for responses, comments like "he's reaching levels that go beyond what you can expect of humans" do make that poster look cliched and sheltered. Thank you and its lovely to be back. :) |
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Wayne Gretzky, Mario Lemieux, Mike Bossy, and Sidney Crosby. Bobby Orr (a defenseman) averaged more points per game than these other notable forwards: Steve Yzerman, Joe Sakic, Peter Forsberg, Phil Esposito, Jarri Kuri, Eric Lindros, Marcel Dionne, Guy Lafleur, Evgeni Malkin, Alexander Ovechkin, Jaromir Jagr, Pavel Bure, Brett Hull, Mark Messier, and hundreds of others. No other defenseman in the history of the NHL has ever won a scoring title. Bobby Orr did it twice - and both times was named best defenseman too. Orr won the Norris trophy a record 8 consecutive years. No other player has won it more than 3 consecutive years. For those who are of the opinion that Wayne Gretzky is the greatest ever, try this. Imagine Bobby spent his entire career as a forward and that Gretzky had spent his as a defenseman (hard to do seeing as Wayne was nowhere near tough enough for the position) - now try to imagine how many points each would have scored. Wayne made a career of hanging out by the blue line waiting for outlet passes - Bobby never had that luxury. |
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