What's Production?
 

I've heard people say things like "This album is overproduced.", "The production on this album could've been better.", "So-and-so is a great/terrible producer."; never had a clue what they meant. Can anyone explain? Does anyone have an example of a band who released one album that was well-produced and one that wasn't?

Production has to do with the recording and manufacturing process. Depending on the genre you could be talking about lots of different things, but today there are tons of production options available:

Distortion, echo, reverb, recording location and acoustics, panning effects, volume and number of pick ups, as well as if you're recording every segment or track together or if you're individually recording elements of the final product. All of this has an impact on what the end product will sound like, and it can require as much attention and musical talent as writing and performing the songs in the first place. Not to mention that production can have to do with the way the actual performance is carried out in the recording environment.

An overproduced album might be an album where the level of production is distracting from the music (so if there was constant epileptic panning back and forth for no reason), or where the production takes precedence over the music (everything has been tweaked and made perfect which sort of dehumanizes it depending on the intention of the artist and the genre etc).

And an example of an album that was well produced vs. one that wasn't... its kind of subjective... I can give u a good example of a band that had some albums with very different levels of production.

Here's Timber Timbre's As Angels Do from there 2005 album Cedar Shakes:


Now this is their 2011 album Creep On Creepin' On. Track is called Do I Have Power...


There's a definite difference in production. For example I would say that the vinyl sound on the first track is kind of annoying and distracting. The 2011 track on the other hand probably has way more production but its very tasteful and it stays true to a live concept. The clarity of individual instruments and vocals is also much better on Do I Have Power. And btw, Creep On Creepin' On sound magnificent on real vinyl.

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You're actually pretty precisely on point with what he said.
Sounds like you understand what production is. But EQ also plays a part in how an instrument sits in a mix.
And yes, pickup is the guitar/bass variety.

You can generalize a professional music producer as a person who has an overall idea of how a song will flesh out and how it will sound, and instruct the musicians about how to get there. The producer may also do the editing of recorded music.

Artists are also produced to different degrees. Some artists only bring their voice to the studio. The producer does the rest, such as deciding what the instrumention should be and finding the right session musicians and how to get the best sound for the record, which involves reverb levels and everything else affecting sound.

New up and coming artists don't always have much studio experience. You can't just put them in the studio and expect them to make a good record because they don't know how to. The producer will be someone experienced who will help the artist make a good record or, perhaps sometimes more cynically, turn that artist into something that can make money. The bigger an artist is the more produced they tend to be, but it's often also the case that the more experienced artists tend to take more creative control over their music as they gain influence and have the know hows.

As an example of an artist who was (initially) very produced, here's Kate Bush from her debut :



Kate provided the voice, but everything else was basically decided by producer Andy Powell. A little later in her career, Kate wanted to bring in her band mates (from the KT Bush band) to play the songs and wanted a more rock feel to her music, but Powell disagreed and so session musicians were used instead. Kate hated it and as soon as she was able, she started producing her own music herself.

I still think Andy did a great job producing her, though!

Yay! I feel smarter. I need to listen to more Kate Bush. I've heard Running up that Hill and that's it... I have a creeping suspicion that I should be ashamed about that...

I think she's best early on and late in her career. She has a lot of good songs in the 80s, but I don't much like the production :p:

ic wut u did thar. xD

I think in the 80s, people got a bit too fascinated with synthesizers, electric drums and other ways to make the music sound as "fake" as possible. The "gated drum" effect created by producer Hugh Padgham for Phil Collins single "In the Air Tonight" is a good example and became hugely influential on the sound of many bands and artists during that decade.



The drums enter quite late in the song. I don't like it.

The sad thing about using electronic trickery, whether it's these drums or a synthesizer is that it has a sell-by date. Either it's a passing fad or a new model replaces the old and makes it sound dated. A flute or an acoustic guitar does not really expire. They have a timeless sound. So to me, a lot of pop music from the 80s (including Kate's) sounds more outdated than music from the 70s which generally has a more timeless production.

This is something that I've always felt but never knew how to put, especially with the synthesizers. I love me some 80s jangle pop though.

I don't think most people who listen to pop music really put much consideration into their listening habits and consequently creating something that's really timeless isn't as much of a priority as making something that's marketable and fun.

I found that comment as being both insightful, and straight to the point. I`m... also somewhat of a wannabe producer/I dunno how to describe it, myself. And ive been wondering about what production actually is, and the producers role in it. Thank you very much for your reply! that was lovely :)

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If you've ever used the phrases "overproduced", "well produced" or "badly produced", how can you live with yourself if you can't give a good explanation to the OP's question?

Any uncontrovertible examples to illustrate what production actually is ? And how about "underproduced" ? Is that a thing too?

I just use it as an all inclusive phrase to refer to various aspects of recording, post-production and sound engineering.

The recording equipment used, the microphone placements, instrument settings, added reverb, compression, equalization, etc. etc. etc.

If I fault an album for its "production", it means I think it sounds bad for reasons not having to do with songwriting or the performances of the involved musicians and singers.
If you check out some metal albums produced by Andy Sneap and compare them to albums produced by Rick Rubin, for example, it will be clear that there's more to the sound of an album than who plays what on it.

I don't really have any rules, though. What works for one album doesn't for another. I do like a nice, clean, dynamic album, but some albums work really well with something muddy and rough sounding, for example.

Perhaps I care more about this than most people in here. It's not uncommon that I refer to various aspects of the "production" of an album when praising it/complaining about it.

^ Well, I can't really improve on that detailed definition!

My concept of production is grounded in the work of prob the most famous producer of them all, George Martin. Especially apparent on Sgt.Pepper, he put together all the bits that weren't played by The Beatles. It's generally considered that he did an excellent job, and anyone can listen to how he meshed together a whole bunch of extra musicians and sound effects. What remains a puzzle to me is that presumably he also did an excellent job on Please, Please Me, etc. It's just that on those albums his work is all but invisible. Back in the old days, it seems, production was either competent or not; these fancy gradings of "over-produced" etc only began to be used in the 'seventies or (as per tore's post) 'eighties.

For anyone curious, here's the song that apparently has "gated drums." What are we listening for ?! The kind of slightly muffled, non-resonating drum beats, I suppose.

I ****ing hate that song so much but I have to give it props for the gated reverb thing.

the amount of energy put into the song

^ Yeah, I don't like it either. It's too slick for it's own good and was so overplayed when it came out - and for the entire succeeding year. ugh!

Too bad that's one of the greatest pop songs ever, you losers. And yes that does hurt me as a Genesis hater, but it is what it is.

More like poop songs right fellas? :rofl:

*stumbles on Frownland's musical incompetence and pukes on his mother's shoes*

Musical incompetence? This from the guy who's clearly confusing familiarity with quality. And you think Risk is a good album.

Holy **** you don't like Phil Collins!!!

*vomits*

I don't even know how to take this.

*vomits*

He's terrible.

*vomits*

But there is that one song that's cool.

Hello...?

There's that one song with the cool production technique that helps people forget what garbage they're listening to.

^ Plenty of people who liked Phil Collins disliked Genesis, so don't let that restrain you in any way, Batlord; go ahead, embrace Phil Collins all you want. You can go back to hating Genesis afterwards with a clear conscience...

I discovered my hatred for both at a young age without knowing that they were related :thumb:.

The **** am I even talking about? Don't do drink, kids.

I music producer is somebody who over sees the project and tells people what goes where and what to do with the recordings and things like that.

In hip hop and electronic music it usually refers to the person composing the music.

When somebody says something is overproduced I think they mean that it sounds way too polished and has too many elements that aren't needed going into the song where a more simple or stripped down approach would have worked better.