Dual use Speaker setup to have volume to play with a full band ?

GuessJT · 06-14-2012, 12:18 PM

Hey guys,

I am working on the best Speaker setup, amp/receiver, etc to make this work.

I currently have a room, 900sqft (aka: Man Cave) that has a full DW drum kit, that I would like to be able to put in (hopefully) a 2.1 (2 speakers and a sub) that the speakers would generate enough volume at a decent quality to not have the drums drown out the sound, other guitarists will be playing with the drum kit at times.

This is not an attempt to get a full Stage PA system, or will these ever be moved for other uses.

The dual purpose is I will also be using it attached to a 70inch plasma already in place to watch movies, television, and so on.

The *primary* objective is a good sound, at sufficient volume,.. and hopefully able to accomplished by two speakers on each side of the television (wall) with a sub located somewhere.

So some 'home theater' speakers in essence .. But can consider some other types of speakers if they will also work in capacity for the movie/tv side of things.

I have no desire to run a 5.1 speaker setup or 7.1 -- Surround sound is NOT an issue or desire here.

I am going to add a computer by the drum set for easy access to Spotify, Itunes, and other services to easily access songs to have come through these speakers to play the drum kit with, as well as to help with any band practice or jam sessions.

I am going to run an HDMI from the computer to a receiver (not bought) to be able to see the video and audio from the computer on the bigger screen (tv).

Surely there must be some 2.1 speaker setups that are of enough volume/quality to make this a possibility.

I don't want to over complicate this -- so if you can recommend some speaker setups (brands, links, etc) and Receiver combinations that would make this as easy as possible and work for my intentions I would greatly appreciate it.

I would like to get away with the speakers for $500-600,.. but if it must go up to $1000 I can consider it.

As for the .1, the sub, I was thinking the smaller the better reaction for 'rock' music. So wouldn't going with an 8" sub, maybe a 10" sub be best for this purpose?

The receiver I would anticipate should be able to be done for less than $500.

I will attach an image of a rough mock up of the room and where things are located.. Ideally I would like to have the speakers on the same wall as the television which the TV is shown in the graphic below.

Your input is greatly appreciated!

GuitarBizarre · 06-14-2012, 03:27 PM

You will not be able to do this without a PA system. No home theater equipment is designed to operate at volumes sufficient for your needs if your needs involve being heard over a ****ing drumkit.

Go get a PA system. If you want to do what you are doing without blowing speakers or amplifiers on a regular basis you do not have the luxury of an alternative.

Source: I am a zen master, and know what the f*ck I am talking about. I also sell AV systems for a living and have professional experience as a musician.

GuessJT · 06-15-2012, 06:52 PM

Thanks for your input.

I managed to accomplish the goal with more volume and headroom to spare with 2 Klipsch Synergy F-30 Towers, a 10Inch powered Klipsch Sub, Klipsch Center running on a Pioneer amp rated at 160Watts per channel RMS.

The F-30's are designed for 97.5dB's at 150/600 which is perfect for the home theater use and is not drowned out by a drum kit.

GuitarBizarre · 06-16-2012, 02:58 AM

Enjoy blowing your amp.

Freebase Dali · 06-19-2012, 07:38 PM

Learn how to control your drumming. I really don't see the point of having to hammer on the drums as hard as humanly possible. Buy some brushes. It's just as fun. (and cultivates dynamic ability)

Unless you're playing some heavy sh*t and want to practice how you play... in which case you should probably wear some headphones. Otherwise, play softer. Sure would beat buying hundreds of dollars worth of equipment. If I were you, I'd just buy whatever you want for the media room that isn't going to sacrifice in quality for any purpose, and not worry about how much it can push. Like GB says, if you're going to try to compete with an acoustic drum kit, you're going to end up blowing your sh*t. So the obvious choice is to either play softer and/or with brushes... but if you can't seem to control how hard you hit the drums, have a big headphone party.

Just my 2 cents.

mr dave · 06-21-2012, 04:51 AM

Was there any reason why you didn't want to run the TV and Computer through a PA rather than trying to force a home theatre sound system to do double duty? It seems counter productive since the PA could easily handle the variety of loads.

Personally I would have gotten one of these with the plan to get a 2nd one someday - Bose L1 Compact System - Live Sound Loudspeakers - Professional Sound Systems

GuitarBizarre · 06-21-2012, 09:40 AM

Bose?

*hisssssss*

06-14-2012, 12:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
GuessJT Groupie Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2	Dual use Speaker setup to have volume to play with a full band ? Hey guys, I am working on the best Speaker setup, amp/receiver, etc to make this work. I currently have a room, 900sqft (aka: Man Cave) that has a full DW drum kit, that I would like to be able to put in (hopefully) a 2.1 (2 speakers and a sub) that the speakers would generate enough volume at a decent quality to not have the drums drown out the sound, other guitarists will be playing with the drum kit at times. This is not an attempt to get a full Stage PA system, or will these ever be moved for other uses. The dual purpose is I will also be using it attached to a 70inch plasma already in place to watch movies, television, and so on. The primary objective is a good sound, at sufficient volume,.. and hopefully able to accomplished by two speakers on each side of the television (wall) with a sub located somewhere. So some 'home theater' speakers in essence .. But can consider some other types of speakers if they will also work in capacity for the movie/tv side of things. I have no desire to run a 5.1 speaker setup or 7.1 -- Surround sound is NOT an issue or desire here. I am going to add a computer by the drum set for easy access to Spotify, Itunes, and other services to easily access songs to have come through these speakers to play the drum kit with, as well as to help with any band practice or jam sessions. I am going to run an HDMI from the computer to a receiver (not bought) to be able to see the video and audio from the computer on the bigger screen (tv). Surely there must be some 2.1 speaker setups that are of enough volume/quality to make this a possibility. I don't want to over complicate this -- so if you can recommend some speaker setups (brands, links, etc) and Receiver combinations that would make this as easy as possible and work for my intentions I would greatly appreciate it. I would like to get away with the speakers for $500-600,.. but if it must go up to $1000 I can consider it. As for the .1, the sub, I was thinking the smaller the better reaction for 'rock' music. So wouldn't going with an 8" sub, maybe a 10" sub be best for this purpose? The receiver I would anticipate should be able to be done for less than $500. I will attach an image of a rough mock up of the room and where things are located.. Ideally I would like to have the speakers on the same wall as the television which the TV is shown in the graphic below. Your input is greatly appreciated! Attached Thumbnails

06-15-2012, 06:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
GuessJT Groupie Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2	Thanks for your input. I managed to accomplish the goal with more volume and headroom to spare with 2 Klipsch Synergy F-30 Towers, a 10Inch powered Klipsch Sub, Klipsch Center running on a Pioneer amp rated at 160Watts per channel RMS. The F-30's are designed for 97.5dB's at 150/600 which is perfect for the home theater use and is not drowned out by a drum kit.

06-19-2012, 07:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Learn how to control your drumming. I really don't see the point of having to hammer on the drums as hard as humanly possible. Buy some brushes. It's just as fun. (and cultivates dynamic ability) Unless you're playing some heavy sht and want to practice how you play... in which case you should probably wear some headphones. Otherwise, play softer. Sure would beat buying hundreds of dollars worth of equipment. If I were you, I'd just buy whatever you want for the media room that isn't going to sacrifice in quality for any purpose, and not worry about how much it can push. Like GB says, if you're going to try to compete with an acoustic drum kit, you're going to end up blowing your sht. So the obvious choice is to either play softer and/or with brushes... but if you can't seem to control how hard you hit the drums, have a big headphone party. Just my 2 cents.