......Wanting to smash their miserable boring heads in.....:yikes:

ALL BORING, EMOTIONLESS CRAP, All "Emporer's New Clothes music", if folks don't hold it in the highest regard, they're somehow inferior, incapable of understanding, - In truth, most folks see it for what it is, boring and soulless.

The folks who espose this rubbish are just sheep following other sheep who are getting rich and laughing about it.
Rap,modern R'n'B and "Dance music" are the same.

GET A GRIP - GET A LIFE!

Or maybe they're just fans who like the music?

I think you'll be hard pressed to claim that King Crimson is emotionless. But that's the typical attack on prog... if a few musicians are a wee bit more experimental and perhaps less restrained with their chops than your typical classic rock musicians, let's assume they're pretentious and dub them as emotionless sterile old men.

Nice to see the Luddites still alive & well.

If you are creating something original then yes -
there is a lot of talent in extracting samples also
besides - if someone is using their finger instead of a paintbrush when painting, they are still painting

Lemme guess, '96 is the year music died.

oh god

I hardly think my musical taste screams sheep or emporers new clothes. Besides that, I have an A level in music and will be working towards a degree in music and popular musics come september, along with my near decade of guitar playing.

So basically what I'm trying to say is: You fail at life now please let go of your idiotic misconceptions and appreciate the sounds made rather than the method of making them.

It doesn't matter to me how the sounds are created.

Musique concrète is one of my favorite forms of music. This experimental "music" goes back to the 40s (Pierre Schaeffer). It's made by manipulating magnetic tape, though this will probably seem more organic than the point-and-click method available to us on a desktop computer. Tape looping was also developed by these old-school composers of electronic music. Obviously, that was the precursor to modern-day sampling.

One of the most famous early Musique concrète composers was featured on Sgt. Pepper's cover. Karlheinz Stockhausen, who died recently. Definitely someone I hope everyone here knows.

Technology can help or hinder, but you can't blame it for our shortcomings.

The 20th century has spawned a strange electro/acoustic musical phenomenon. "Virtual music" is a good term.

As soon as you amplify/mic something or record it, you are physically altering the waveforms produced by the musical source. Samples are a result of the further manipulation of sound sources.

two comments...

1 - anyone who tries to claim there is no skill involved in making electronic music because it's just a matter of pressing buttons has probably never tried to actually make a new sound in a synth beyond the default presets.

2 - SQUAREPUSHER

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Yeah, but at least they played their instruments, and spurred on literally millons of others to do the same.

While I agree the computer can be an amazing tool, it's still soulless, emotionless and bland when used as an "Instrument", and probably always will be.

Ask any aspiring musician who their influences are, and I'll guarantee 98 - 99 % of them will be REAL musicians,who play REAL instruments, not "programmers" or "assemblers" .

I started this thread, being very tongue in cheek, to get some opinions and lively debate, but it seems you're not capable of making a case without resorting to personal insult of everything and everyone you don't agree with.
GROW UP!

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