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polybius81 10-12-2013 04:50 AM

The Future of Musical Instruments.
 
I Think that in the future, all Instruments will be touch, there are some seemingly accurate predictions that by 2030 computers will be worth 1 billion Human brains every $1000, so that means there can literally be infinite combinations in the future, and don't forget, really easy to play guitars!! as in extremely realistic keyboard guitar sounds!!! What do you think?

Burning Down 10-12-2013 07:14 AM

People are always going to want to play real instruments. Computer generated music will never have the capability of sounding as authentic as real instruments. Plus it's more fun to play instruments - making friends in bands and orchestras, performing at events, teaching people how to play the instrument... computers don't and will never compare to that.

polybius81 10-12-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1372992)
People are always going to want to play real instruments. Computer generated music will never have the capability of sounding as authentic as real instruments. Plus it's more fun to play instruments - making friends in bands and orchestras, performing at events, teaching people how to play the instrument... computers don't and will never compare to that.


Excuse me, but look at this


2029
A $1,000 personal computer is 1,000 times more powerful than the human brain.


and it doubles every 18 months, so 2031 2,000 2033 4,000 2035 8,000 2037 16,000 2039 32,000 and so on. and sound will be very authentic. so there. it may not be an accurate prediction but this is probably what it may be.;)

Burning Down 10-12-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by polybius81 (Post 1372993)
Excuse me, but look at this


2029
A $1,000 personal computer is 1,000 times more powerful than the human brain.


and it doubles every 18 months, so 2031 2,000 2033 4,000 2035 8,000 2037 16,000 2039 32,000 and so on. and sound will be very authentic. so there. it may not be an accurate prediction but this is probably what it may be.;)

You missed the point I was trying to make. I'm saying that actual musical instruments will never become obsolete and the experienve of playing them will never compare to the experience of using a computer. When computers were relatively new in the 50's, people were saying that 30 years from then, computers will be the only way to make music and instruments will no longer be of use. Still hasn't happened. Computers are simply just comlementing music now. We can think that there might be a huge shift in the way music is made in the future, but I doubt that computers will take over 100%.

polybius81 10-13-2013 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1373017)
You missed the point I was trying to make. I'm saying that actual musical instruments will never become obsolete and the experienve of playing them will never compare to the experience of using a computer. When computers were relatively new in the 50's, people were saying that 30 years from then, computers will be the only way to make music and instruments will no longer be of use. Still hasn't happened. Computers are simply just comlementing music now. We can think that there might be a huge shift in the way music is made in the future, but I doubt that computers will take over 100%.


yeah but it's the 2010s now, predictions are more accurate.

Scarlett O'Hara 10-13-2013 05:43 AM

How did you figure that one out? Can you see the future? If so please tell me where in the world I'll be in 5 years?

Burning Down 10-13-2013 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by polybius81 (Post 1373191)
yeah but it's the 2010s now, predictions are more accurate.

I'm sure Nostradamus thought his predictions were quite accurate because he made them in the 1500's.
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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 1373194)
How did you figure that one out? Can you see the future? If so please tell me where in the world I'll be in 5 years?

You'll be right here, with me of course, lol.

Scarlett O'Hara 10-14-2013 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1373223)
I'm sure Nostradamus thought his predictions were quite accurate because he made them in the 1500's.


You'll be right here, with me of course, lol.

:love:

Damn straight, I can't wait to get over to Canada and spend time with my best girlfriend! You seriously have the most amazing personality that I completely relate to. xxxx

polybius81 10-17-2013 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1373223)
I'm sure Nostradamus thought his predictions were quite accurate because he made them in the 1500's.


You'll be right here, with me of course, lol.


That's end of the world rubbish, music and other stuff is more easily predictable.

Plankton 10-17-2013 08:47 AM

Have a looksee:

Brainwaves Translated Into Music for Cerebral Soundtrack | Underwire | Wired.com

No more sore fingers. Luuuuuulz

Burning Down 10-17-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 1374490)

I did that test as part of a music cognition research project.

Plankton 10-17-2013 11:13 AM

How'd it go for you?

I plan on tinkering with some EEG's in the near future.

Afro Blue 10-17-2013 12:20 PM

There is no future in musical instruments, it all depends on your ability to use and comprehend the tools that are availabe...
Collateral Timbre Set 5 Bowhammer Cymbalom "Hand-Sown-Digital~Loop Garden Suite" - YouTube

either stuff with lots of strings or looping. i go for electronics as the future, but who knows.

Paul Smeenus 10-17-2013 12:25 PM

^^^ I think what that proves is that the future is unlimited. That was very very cool. :)

Plankton 10-17-2013 12:39 PM

Thought I'd seen that before:

http://www.musicbanter.com/1359925-post2.html

Paul Smeenus 10-17-2013 01:03 PM

Sleepytime Gorilla Museum is also famous for using homemade instruments.

There's also a lot of amazing bucket drummers.

polybius81 10-04-2014 07:22 AM

OK, since this is my post. It cannot be bumped by me. So I am just restarting this topic. I still think Music in the future will be realistic. What do you think? Are Kurzweil's predictions accurate?

Janszoon 10-04-2014 07:57 AM

I think music will be unrealistic and not plan for retirement.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-04-2014 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by polybius81 (Post 1493413)
Are Kurzweil's predictions accurate?

Instead of coming back after a year try waiting another 17 and then come back, then we can all make a much more informed judgement.

Pet_Sounds 10-04-2014 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by polybius81 (Post 1493413)
Are Kurzweil's predictions accurate?

No. A computer cannot be a billion times more powerful than a human brain. We haven't even come close to matching the brain yet, and IMO we never will.

nuke-tan 10-11-2014 01:18 AM

I'm not sure when the last actual instrument was created.
It sure would be interesting if something completely new was invented that wasn't a spin off of stringed / wind / percussion etc
A thought powered instrument perhaps? now that'd be groovy

polybius81 02-21-2015 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down (Post 1373017)
You missed the point I was trying to make. I'm saying that actual musical instruments will never become obsolete and the experienve of playing them will never compare to the experience of using a computer. When computers were relatively new in the 50's, people were saying that 30 years from then, computers will be the only way to make music and instruments will no longer be of use. Still hasn't happened. Computers are simply just comlementing music now. We can think that there might be a huge shift in the way music is made in the future, but I doubt that computers will take over 100%.

True True, sorry for bumping. But I know that for sure now.

Chula Vista 02-21-2015 01:21 PM

Kills thread. A computer will never be able to do this.



RIP.

Frownland 02-21-2015 02:17 PM

Well anything that you could do on an acoustic instrument you can record and alter to your taste, so you could do all that and more. There's nothing an acoustic instrument can do that a computer can't.

Xurtio 02-21-2015 02:23 PM


Chula Vista 02-21-2015 02:26 PM

Dude. Really?

He's not just playing notes. He's feeding off of the whole thing. Watch his face throughout the song. It's maybe 50% notes and 50% emotionally feeding off of the note he just played. A computer will never be able to emotionally improv like Hedges does in that clip.

Frownland 02-21-2015 02:31 PM

The computer itself won't feel the emotion in the same as a guitar wouldn't, but who's to say the person using the computer or guitar can't feel emotion when creating music? Technology has advanced incredibly, I think that with the right programs and person at the keyboard you could translate emotion even through electronic means.

Chula Vista 02-21-2015 02:36 PM

Disagree. The day a computer can supplant talent like Hedges, Mercury, Gilbert, or Buckley, is the day I will check out.

Frownland 02-21-2015 02:40 PM

It's kind of like telling little Timmy he'll never be president and continuing to say the same when he's an adult who just got nominated by a leading party.

Zyrada 02-21-2015 04:00 PM

Computers and electronics are viable tools in the musical arsenal. From an instrumentation standpoint, they have incredible versatility, and they aren't hampered by the same physical limitations as acoustic instruments. The tactile experience of acoustic instruments can't be replicated yet though, and probably won't for a long while. For the time being, we will have a compromise where all limitations of acoustic instruments are augmented by electronic tools. The two obviously aren't mutually exclusive.

From a compositional standpoint, I'm always amused when some new article comes out lauding a new AI system as heralding the death of the human composer. AI composers are ultimately limited to the known patterns and perceptions of their audience and makers, at least as they exist right now. Until they have the capacity to generate meaning and context for their creations, they will never match the potential of human composition.

Xurtio 02-21-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1554977)
Dude. Really?

He's not just playing notes. He's feeding off of the whole thing. Watch his face throughout the song. It's maybe 50% notes and 50% emotionally feeding off of the note he just played. A computer will never be able to emotionally improv like Hedges does in that clip.

Ok, but in terms of the physics, those nuances all come down to the shape of the attack, continual pitch shifts for bends, shape of the release and the sustain. It can all be described with one time-dependent variable.

With the right rule system or even supervised training on Hedges himself, an algorithm could generate such waveforms.

GuitarBizarre 02-22-2015 09:43 AM

In this thread: Half of the people don't understand how computers work, and are falling back on "BUT EMOTION MAN! COMPUTERS CAN'T FEEL EMOTION!"

Nevermind that we've been considering the possibility of intelligent machines for decades and getting closer in a very constant way.

The other half are saying "Uh, you do realise the moment we establish a way to quantify emotion in a logical system, computers will be able to understand emotion and replicate it? Literally the drawback is that because we don't have a flawless understanding of brain chemistry and response to external stimuli, current approaches are limited to responding to broader and less specific inputs, but eventually we will hit the point where those approaches are refined and become viable, or we will hit the point where constructing a computerised simulation of brain activity during this act can be done in synchronicity with the act of running a musical output?"

It is entirely conceivable - in fact, likely - that once we understand the operation of the brain to the point we can simulate it's internal workings, we will actually be able to directly synthesise music from thoughts, bypassing the need for using a physical instrument or digital synthesizer. We, or our hypothetical brain simulation, will literally be able to THINK "I want a sound like this", and get it. In realtime. We will be able to THINK a wah pedal or a timpani being hit "just so" and get those timbre immediately without intervention by a third party system or an object.

Once that level of advancement arrives, or we even get CLOSE to it, computers will already be very much capable of emulating, imitating, and creating any musical form, including any part of that form which is improvisational or a response to outside stimulus.


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