Most overrated bands ever?

Crowe · 12-06-2007, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

Your point wasn't just that you should go in setting
aside your ego, however, but that if you did so you
would necessarily like/appreciate The Beatles.
Thus, you've necessarily objectified taste with
The Beatles representing "good" music.

See, what all this pomp says to me is

"Hey, I didn't get your point - this is how I interpreted it, but even after you explained to me what your point was (whether or not I thought you articulated it well in the original post) I'm still going to go ahead and explain to YOU what YOU meant, because I know everything you think and am completely aware of your motivations."

You misunderstood me, get over it big guy. How many times do you think you can use the word "necessarily" in a single thread? You're up to 3 or 4 now, right in merely 2 posts? :P

cardboard adolescent · 12-06-2007, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowe

If you think that the Beatles are overrated it only shows that you haven't really listened to the music.

Alright so explain to me what
exactly you did necessarily
mean by this.

Crowe · 12-06-2007, 12:31 AM

Well I'm going to piggy back off of Crowquill's most recent post...

You realize that the hype the Beatles get is more deserving than some of the bands that get hype which they don't necessarily (oh look now I'm doing it!) deserve. They aren't just some upstart group that came out in a time of a musical black hole... they made a difference to the world that nary another band can claim the same. Except the Wyld Stallyns of course...

cardboard adolescent · 12-06-2007, 12:35 AM

But by saying they're more deserving
you're also implying that they're "better"
in some way so you're still objectifying taste.

Crowe · 12-06-2007, 12:41 AM

No. I'm referring to factual evidence of their impact on the world and the lack of an equal who had the same results. (mentioned in this particular thread) That is the application of objective observation to a specific topic that I have an opinion about.

cardboard adolescent · 12-06-2007, 12:43 AM

If you hated The Beatles and all the styles they
gave birth to, however, you wouldn't see them
as "deserving" of hype, so there is the implication
that they were influential in a good way.

I mean, you were aware of their influence
before you "got into them" and still wrote
them off as "the most overrated." The opinion
that changed between now and then
is the quality of their output.

sleepy jack · 12-06-2007, 12:48 AM

I'm sorry but if you hate the Beatles and every single bit of their influence you probably are an extremely narrow-minded person that listens to shit or you're just a metal fan and are therefore ignorant and shouldn't be taken seriously to begin with.

Crowe · 12-06-2007, 12:54 AM

Again, you're assuming. You just keep adding on to arguments you think I would've made if I still had my former opinion? I never hated the Beatles. Who said I was aware of their influence? It was ignorance and that's why I wrote them off as overrated. Once I became a learned man on the subject I changed my tune. The opinion never changed about the quality of their output. What was unknown to me about their impact became known to me once I decided to not write them off anymore.

But please, assume something else so I have to defend arguments that are utterly pointless because I never made them in the first place. Your attempts to dig yourself out of hole are annoying.

cardboard adolescent · 12-06-2007, 12:55 AM

How can you think something is overrated if you're not aware of its influence nor dislike it? That's just stupid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crowquill

I'm sorry but if you hate the Beatles and every single bit of their influence you probably are an extremely narrow-minded person that listens to shit or you're just a metal fan and are therefore ignorant and shouldn't be taken seriously to begin with.

I don't think that's true at all. I think personal taste is mostly arbitrary and has very little to do with
intelligence or openness. I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent Jazz fans who would've liked to see
rock n' roll die when everyone thought it would, and who were very chagrined when it became one of
the most popular forms of music.

sleepy jack · 12-06-2007, 12:59 AM

Well you see he admitted to being ignorant and ignorance is just another form of stupidity. So he kind of already stated it was stupid of him to say that so yeah....

12-06-2007, 12:31 AM	#1453 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 699	Well I'm going to piggy back off of Crowquill's most recent post... You realize that the hype the Beatles get is more deserving than some of the bands that get hype which they don't necessarily (oh look now I'm doing it!) deserve. They aren't just some upstart group that came out in a time of a musical black hole... they made a difference to the world that nary another band can claim the same. Except the Wyld Stallyns of course... __________________

12-06-2007, 12:41 AM	#1455 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 699	No. I'm referring to factual evidence of their impact on the world and the lack of an equal who had the same results. (mentioned in this particular thread) That is the application of objective observation to a specific topic that I have an opinion about. __________________

12-06-2007, 12:54 AM	#1458 (permalink)
Crowe Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 699	Again, you're assuming. You just keep adding on to arguments you think I would've made if I still had my former opinion? I never hated the Beatles. Who said I was aware of their influence? It was ignorance and that's why I wrote them off as overrated. Once I became a learned man on the subject I changed my tune. The opinion never changed about the quality of their output. What was unknown to me about their impact became known to me once I decided to not write them off anymore. But please, assume something else so I have to defend arguments that are utterly pointless because I never made them in the first place. Your attempts to dig yourself out of hole are annoying. __________________

12-06-2007, 12:35 AM	#1454 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	But by saying they're more deserving you're also implying that they're "better" in some way so you're still objectifying taste.

12-06-2007, 12:43 AM	#1456 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	If you hated The Beatles and all the styles they gave birth to, however, you wouldn't see them as "deserving" of hype, so there is the implication that they were influential in a good way. I mean, you were aware of their influence before you "got into them" and still wrote them off as "the most overrated." The opinion that changed between now and then is the quality of their output.