[MERIT]'s Ramblings

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-24-2019, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

What do you think of loading a regular 38 revolver with alternating bullet types like that?

It really depends on what type of situations that you think you'll encounter.

You can load some shotshell, but know that it won't kill. It will wound, and possibly set you up to make a kill shot afterward.

It's also difficult to remember which type of ammo you have chambered.

Instead of Dutch loading, I would maybe fill 1 speed loader with all shotshell, and then just rely on +P ammo as your primary.

But if you don't have any speed loaders, maybe load the first round with shotshell and the rest with +P.

Ballistics 101 has some good info as far as ammo goes, including a muzzle energy calculator. Keep in mind that their figures will vary depending on your barrel length.

OccultHawk · 01-24-2019, 04:57 PM

Quote:

You can load some shotshell, but know that it won't kill

That surprises me. My thinking was well a 12 gauge is deadly af but I guess the difference in power is much greater than I realized.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-24-2019, 05:05 PM

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As far as self-defense revolvers go, I would recommend the Taurus Judge. It comes in
many iterations, with barrels ranging from 2.5" - 6.5", but the best one [in my opinion]
is the Taurus Raging Judge Ultra-Lite. It holds 7 rounds and is chambered in .45 LC
/ .410 bore. It has a 3"chamber, so it can accept magnum shotshells. And goddamn,
is it one sexy firearm!

Unfortunately, in their infinite wisdom, Taurus discontinued this model. So
if you find one for sale, expect to pay out the ass for it.

They replaced it with a 6-round revolver chambered in .45 LC /.410 bore /
.454 Cassul. But this version only has a2.5" chamber.

If you are on a budget, they offer a 5-round polymer version called the "Public
Defender" chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore with a 2.5" chamber. It has a
MSRP ~ $470 USD.

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Smith & Wesson has a similar offering in "The Governor." It is a 6-round revolver
chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore [it also chambers .45 ACP with the use of moon
clips]. It has a 2.5" barrel and a 2.5" chamber. It has a MSRP of $869 USD.

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~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-24-2019, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

That surprises me. My thinking was well a 12 gauge is deadly af but I guess the difference in power is much greater than I realized.

A 12-gauge will kill, regardless of if you use a slug or shot, simply because it has so much energy behind it. A 12-gauge would be equivalent to ~ a 72 caliber rifle.

You have to keep in mind that with a slug, all of the energy is dedicated to that ONE bullet. When you use shot, it is divided between each BB, many of which miss their target.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-24-2019, 05:12 PM

I mean, if you are within 10 feet of someone and use .357 Magnun /.38 Special shotshell, you'll probably create a wound that will eventualy kill them.

OccultHawk · 01-24-2019, 05:19 PM

To me that “mix six” graphic is ****ing surreal.

**Exo** · 01-24-2019, 05:21 PM

I don't even like guns and I want to f*ck that gun.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-24-2019, 06:53 PM

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If you guys like the Judge and Governor, you're gonna love . . . the MEDUSA M47 !!!

The Phillips & Rogers Medusa Model 47 is a 6-round revolver that can chamber 25+
calibers in the 9mm / .38 range [or 100+ calibers if you want to get REALLY obscure],
including [but not limited to]:

.380 ACP
9×18mm Ultra
9mm Glisenti
9×19mm Parabellum
9mm Browning Long
9×21mm
9×21mm Gyurza
9×23mm Largo
9×23mm Steyr
9mm Largo
9×25mm Mauser
9×25mm Dillon
9mm Winchester Magnum
.356 TSW
.38 ACP
.38 Super
9×23mm Winchester
9×18mm Makarov
.357 Magnum
.38 Casull
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long Colt
.38 Special
.38 Super Comp
.38 S&W
.380 Revolver Short
.380 Revolver Long
.38-40 Winchester

The cylinder was designed by Jonathan Phillips, a computer specialist for NASA
and competition shooter who regularly carried multiple guns of different calibers to
the shooting range. The Medusa was an attempt to solve this, because most of the
weapons that he carried were in the 9mm /.38 range. To withstand the varying
pressures involved in the various rounds, the cylinder is made with mil-spec 4330
modified vanadium steel and is specially hardened. This cylinder is about twice as
strong as any other on the market. It uses special rims and springs to hold rimless
cartridges.

It was most definitely designed as a bug-out / SHTF / apocalypse revolver. It is
tantamount to a jack of all trades, master of none. It suffers from accuracy issues,
so close-range firing is recommended. It's been out of production for decades and is
a holy grail for some gun collectors.

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~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-03-2019, 03:58 AM

Protecting Yourself On The Cheap

This thread is dedicated to cheap forms of personal protection. I hope that you find it useful!

We'll start with cheap firearms. You can usually find some cheap used guns at your local pawn shop. But if you want to buy new, you still
have several choices that won't break the bank, such as Hi-Point, which are made in America and have a lifetime warranty.

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The Hi-Point CF380 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .380
ACP, with an 8+1 capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It has a
MSRP of $179 USD.

Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, ProMag makes a 15-round after-
market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work
in the CF380 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed
for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the CF380.

Hi-Point also offers a version with a recoil compensator [pictured below] that has a
MSRP of $189 USD.

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The Hi-Point C9 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in 9x19mm
Parabellum, with an 8+1 capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It
has a MSRP of $199 USD.

Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, ProMag makes a 15-round after-
market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work
in the C9 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed for
Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the C9.

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The Hi-Point JCP40 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in
.40 Smith & Wesson, with a 10+1 capacity [the highest amongst all Hi-Point
pistols], a 4.5" barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD.

ProMag makes a 15-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed
for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JCP40.

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The Hi-Point JHP45 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .45 ACP, with a 9+1
capacity, a 4.5" barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD.

ProMag makes a 14-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed for Hi-Point carbines,
but can be made to work in the JHP45 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is
designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JHP45.

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Came up against the character limit, so I will continue this in the next post.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 02-03-2019, 04:18 AM

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Next up, we have Cobra, which are also made in America. Along with semiautomatic
pistols, they also manufacture double-shot Derringers. They are known for making
small, low capacity firearms, ideal for concealed carry.

Cobra makes double-shot Derringers [pictured below] chambered in .22 LR,
.22 WMR, .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .32 HRM, .38 Special, .380 ACP, 9mm, .45 LC
and .410-bore, with barrel lengths ranging from 2.4" - 3.5". Their weights range
from 9.5 - 16.4 ounces unloaded. You can usually pick one up for around $150
- $200 USD.

Cobra makes semiautomatic pistols [pictured below] chambered in .32 ACP, .380
ACP, 9mm and .45 ACP, with barrel lengths ranging from 3.3" - 3.5" and weights
ranging from 18 - 24 ounces unloaded. Magazine capacities range from 7 - 10
rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 USD.

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Next up is the single-action Heritage revolver [pictured below]. It's a
classic cowboy gun. It sports 6 rounds and the cheaper models are
chambered in .22 LR and generally retail for around $150 USD.

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Then we have Phoenix Arms. They make small caliber semiautomatic pistols [pictured below], chambered
in .22 LR and .25 ACP. They weigh just 20 ounces unloaded, have 3" - 5" barrels and have magazine
capacities ranging from 9 - 10 rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 - $180 USD.

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Next up is the single-action Chiappa revolver [pictured below]. Another classic cowboy
gun. The cheaper models come in .17 HMR, .22 LR and .22 WMR and usually retail for
around $180 - $200 USD.

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To be continued . . .

01-24-2019, 05:19 PM	#106 (permalink)
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01-24-2019, 05:21 PM	#107 (permalink)
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02-03-2019, 03:58 AM	#109 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	Protecting Yourself On The Cheap Protecting Yourself On The Cheap This thread is dedicated to cheap forms of personal protection. I hope that you find it useful! We'll start with cheap firearms. You can usually find some cheap used guns at your local pawn shop. But if you want to buy new, you still have several choices that won't break the bank, such as Hi-Point, which are made in America and have a lifetime warranty. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== The Hi-Point CF380 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .380 ACP, with an 8+1 capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $179 USD. Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, ProMag makes a 15-round after- market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the CF380 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the CF380. Hi-Point also offers a version with a recoil compensator [pictured below] that has a MSRP of $189 USD. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== The Hi-Point C9 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in *9x19mm* *Parabellum, with an 8+1* capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $199 USD. Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, *ProMag* makes a 15-round after- market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the C9 and *RedBall* has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the C9. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== The Hi-Point JCP40 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in *.40 Smith & Wesson, with a 10+1 capacity [the highest amongst all Hi-Point* pistols], a *4.5"* barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD. *ProMag* makes a 15-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JCP40. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== The Hi-Point JHP45 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .45 ACP, with a 9+1 capacity, a *4.5"* barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD. *ProMag* makes a 14-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JHP45 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JHP45. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== Came up against the character limit, so I will continue this in the next post. Last edited by [MERIT]; 02-03-2019 at 04:21 AM.

02-03-2019, 04:18 AM	#110 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	Part 2 ================================================== ================================================== =================================== Next up, we have Cobra, which are also made in America. Along with semiautomatic pistols, they also manufacture double-shot Derringers. They are known for making small, low capacity firearms, ideal for concealed carry. Cobra makes double-shot Derringers [pictured below] chambered in *.22 LR, .22 WMR, .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .32 HRM, .38 Special, .380 ACP, 9mm, .45 LC* and .410-bore, with barrel lengths ranging from 2.4" - 3.5". Their weights range from 9.5 - 16.4 ounces unloaded. You can usually pick one up for around $150 - $200 USD. Cobra makes semiautomatic pistols [pictured below] chambered in .32 ACP, .380 ACP, 9mm and .45 ACP, with barrel lengths ranging from 3.3" - 3.5" and weights ranging from 18 - 24 ounces unloaded. Magazine capacities range from 7 - 10 rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 USD. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== Next up is the single-action Heritage revolver [pictured below]. It's a classic cowboy gun. It sports 6 rounds and the cheaper models are chambered in .22 LR and generally retail for around $150 USD. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== Then we have Phoenix Arms. They make small caliber semiautomatic pistols [pictured below], chambered in *.22 LR* and .25 ACP. They weigh just 20 ounces unloaded, have 3" - 5" barrels and have magazine capacities ranging from 9 - 10 rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 - $180 USD. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== Next up is the single-action Chiappa revolver [pictured below]. Another classic cowboy gun. The cheaper models come in *.17 HMR, .22 LR* and .22 WMR and usually retail for around $180 - $200 USD. ================================================== ================================================== =================================== To be continued . . . Last edited by [MERIT]; 02-03-2019 at 05:21 AM.

01-24-2019, 05:05 PM	#103 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	================================================== ================================================== =================================== As far as self-defense revolvers go, I would recommend the Taurus Judge. It comes in many iterations, with barrels ranging from 2.5" - 6.5", but the best one [in my opinion] is the Taurus Raging Judge Ultra-Lite. It holds 7 rounds and is chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore. It has a 3"chamber, so it can accept magnum shotshells. And goddamn, is it one sexy firearm! Unfortunately, in their infinite wisdom, Taurus discontinued this model. So if you find one for sale, expect to pay out the ass for it. They replaced it with a 6-round revolver chambered in .45 LC /.410 bore / .454 Cassul. But this version only has a2.5" chamber. If you are on a budget, they offer a 5-round polymer version called the "Public Defender" chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore with a 2.5" chamber. It has a MSRP ~ *$470 USD. ================================================== ================================================== ===================================* Smith & Wesson has a similar offering in "The Governor." It is a 6-round revolver chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore [it also chambers .45 ACP with the use of moon clips]. It has a 2.5" barrel and a 2.5" chamber. It has a MSRP of $869 USD. ================================================== ================================================== ===================================

01-24-2019, 05:12 PM	#105 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	I mean, if you are within 10 feet of someone and use .357 Magnun /.38 Special shotshell, you'll probably create a wound that will eventualy kill them.

01-24-2019, 06:53 PM	#108 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	================================================== ================================================== =================================== If you guys like the Judge and Governor, you're gonna love . . . the MEDUSA M47 !!! The Phillips & Rogers Medusa Model 47 is a 6-round revolver that can chamber 25+ calibers in the 9mm / .38 range [or 100+ calibers if you want to get REALLY obscure], including [but not limited to]: .380 ACP 9×18mm Ultra 9mm Glisenti 9×19mm Parabellum 9mm Browning Long 9×21mm 9×21mm Gyurza 9×23mm Largo 9×23mm Steyr 9mm Largo 9×25mm Mauser 9×25mm Dillon 9mm Winchester Magnum .356 TSW .38 ACP .38 Super 9×23mm Winchester 9×18mm Makarov .357 Magnum .38 Casull .38 Short Colt .38 Long Colt .38 Special .38 Super Comp .38 S&W .380 Revolver Short .380 Revolver Long .38-40 Winchester The cylinder was designed by Jonathan Phillips, a computer specialist for NASA and competition shooter who regularly carried multiple guns of different calibers to the shooting range. The Medusa was an attempt to solve this, because most of the weapons that he carried were in the 9mm /.38 range. To withstand the varying pressures involved in the various rounds, the cylinder is made with mil-spec 4330 modified vanadium steel and is specially hardened. This cylinder is about twice as strong as any other on the market. It uses special rims and springs to hold rimless cartridges. It was most definitely designed as a bug-out / SHTF / apocalypse revolver. It is tantamount to a jack of all trades, master of none. It suffers from accuracy issues, so close-range firing is recommended. It's been out of production for decades and is a holy grail for some gun collectors. ================================================== ================================================== ===================================