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Originally Posted by The Virgin
i got you but logically speaking, aliens is a bad comparison for the current discussion. you should be using a metaphor that's more realistic. but i do get your point.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
It doesn't matter whether or not it's realistic. I'm illustrating the point that your claiming that humans have the right to kill and eat animals because we are "superior" (whatever that means) is bull**** and merely arrogant self interest. If you really believed it, you would not at all be alarmed if aliens invaded. You'd just say, "Oh, ****! We've gotta do some-oh wait, nevermind. They're superior to us. Carry on then."
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i think the word he is struggling for is "more evolved"
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Originally Posted by The Virgin
i understand your point tore, i really do. but think of it this way, let's assume yes, humans are not superior to animals. sure, they can have equal rank as with us. along with that, imagine if they'd get that right not to be killed cause of course, if you can't kill a human, certainly not to animals. what will we be eating then?
i can't imagine my life eating cucumber sandwhich or carrot soup every day. God knows we humans need to eat meat. He knows humans deserve somthing better than plain coleslaw for lunch.
But i do understand what you're trying to say. it's just not enough for us to justify that the meat-eaters are any more cruel because of their way of eating than the vegetarians.
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i'm lost, dazed and confused - reminds me of an argument i had on facebook -some girl was talking about cruelty to animals (a dog) so i asked her "are you a vegetarian then?" then there was this whole thing about cows being "inferior" to dogs
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
Look. If you're going to use God to justify your argument, you've got to prove that he exists first. You can't use an unproven statement to prove another unproven statement.
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he was talking about aliens being far-fetched earlier
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Originally Posted by Mykonos
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the secret is safe with me whether i really did have relations with sheep - just to keep you quesing
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Originally Posted by tore
Well, if you tried to live in a river where there were large wild salt water crocodiles, I'm sure their interest in you would be consistent  |
i really dunno, tore - i've read somewhere that most animals that do eat humans don't really like our taste, like if you were attacked by a man-eating shark, it's probably because it mistook you for a seal
they're just hungry, they don't have a choice, we do
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Originally Posted by chipper
I suggest you read up first on nutritional needs of human beings. you can get the nutrition you get from meat from other sources. for example, you can get protein from peanuts, calcium from soy. etc.
also when you present your argument, you have to be clear. when you say "need to eat meat", is that need based on nutrition? because "need" denotes and connotes necessity for survival. you don't need meat to survive. you can survive without it. BUT if you are using the word "need" loosely, then be clear about it so other people here would understand you clearly.
another point, when you say "God knows...", it would be helpful to present a substantiation like what others do here. there are different beliefs or non-beliefs about God.
if you want to eat meat, that's your deal and we respect. i think that's clear in many of the posts here.
what we are just trying to make you understand is that just because you don't like vegetarianism, it doesn't make it wrong or inferior. the same way we don't think eating meat is wrong or inferior.
and don't regard vegetables or fruits as worse than meat because they are not. the same way meat is not worse than vegetables. it all boils down to preference and priorities. i mentioned this because you said "He knows humans deserve somthing better than plain coleslaw for lunch". some people here might actually prefer plain coleslaw.
just try and be clear. substantiate your argurments. read up on the subject.
my mother is from Cebu. i visited only once but i am proud of our heritage. and according to your data, that's where you are from too. that's why i made an effort to write this lengthy post.
so i hope you don't take this the wrong way. i'm just concerned.
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what he/she said
edit:- the God that the Virgin mentioned about giving meat exclusively for consumption to us is along the lines of a Universal God, which is untrue, and he didn't even interpret the Bible correctly
firstly, there are no passages in the Bible stating that animals are exclusive for consumption to us, there are only passages saying there's
no restriction on what you can eat. and I read this along the lines of a reaction to Judaisitic law on "no pork", similar to "yes you can work on a Sabbath day" was a reaction to "do nothing on the Sabbath"
secondly, there is no Universal God for all the peoples of the world, whereas Christians are allowed to eat ALL meat, Jews and Muslims can't eat pork (using his line of argument, is a pig a sacred animal, then?, and above us) no - the pig is just a filthy animal to them and cannot be eaten
thirdly, popular non-Abrahamic religions in the East like Hinduism and Buddhism, regard the consumption of only veggies highly thought of and will reward the practitioner in the Karmic cycle, "pure" Buddhists don't even kill ants and the highest caste of Hindus, the Brahmas (priests) are vegetarians - so I guess the Virgin is saying a Christian God is above Buddha, Vishnu, Ganesh etc?