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Originally Posted by Stu
I watch the videos people post, and I'm sure others do too, they can be a great way of stumbling upon new music.
A video can sometimes express something the poster cannot articulate in words, they can be great for succinctly getting a message across. I'm all for video posts if they serve a purpose, and if the member posting said video is a frequent, constructive contributor.
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I agree.
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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali
I'm not hurt about it. I'm just explaining my position and used her [Love-song's] well-known activities as a reference.
Anyway, we contacted her about it previously, and she simply stopped doing it in the one thread, and moved it to others. All we asked is that she put some banter and effort into it, like we ask of any person on these forums posting about music.
In my opinion, it's less about the action of a single person posting a vid with no personal input behind it, and more about the quality of the forum, as a whole, in regard to what we all deem acceptable.
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Freebase, I was thinking more last night about why I am bothered by the idea of requiring members who prefer posting youtube videos to make personal statements about their feelings.
In addition to what Stu says above, I don't like the way people are targeting certain members as potential spammers, with you giving Love-song as an example, when those members *have* contributed more than just youtube videos and are also people I like. So when I see Urban referring to their posts as "rubbish" and others calling what they contribute "spam," that bothers me.
I'm concerned that if you are holding people and their posts on trial, judging the quality of their contributions, then you may not be reading *all* their posts and thus may by judging them unfairly.
For example, below are some posts where Love-song *did* post more than just a video:
Love-song shares her life philosophy and musical interests in the following post, which she wrote in reply to one of mine. If you want to learn what Love-song says about herself and music, then you should make sure to read this:
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Originally Posted by Love-song
my thoughts on Love...and Love songs...
...are the songs I play over-simplistic and one-sided? I choose my songs very carefully...they speak my Heart...what I feel for Another....the Love of my Life. I do not find them unrealistic...for this is the Love that I live and experience daily. Is a Love like Ours so rare...that it seems impossible for others to understand? Maybe it is...but songwriters have written of such Love...authors have written of It...poets fill pages with Love...
...what has happened in Our time...to make everyone so bitter towards Love? We are inundated with the statistics...divorce rates climbing...violence against each other...verbal and physical...these are horrible ways to live...to treat one another with such disrespect...but is it the norm?...the negative aspects of everything are focused on so intently...so it seems rare...when We hear a positive story of Love...of a couple together 50...60...70...years...and what do they say about each other? They are positive...Loving towards the Other...sure...they suffered hard times and struggled...as We all do...the many good times are what are remembered...are what are spoken of...
...I am very Blessed to have been brought together in Love with a Wonderful Man...He has given me a Life...where before...I was only existing...He has given me a Beautiful Family...where before...I was alone...He has not only showered me with Love...but has allowed me to Love Him back...in a way that I thought impossible...for the most important aspect of Love...to me...is to be able to give it with abandon...without expectation...for in the act of giving...We receive the greatest of gifts back...
...the songs I choose...I hear and play...this is my Life...these are my feelings...they are in Honour of my Love...
...I am a firm believer in...the kind of energy you put out in life...that is what you receive back...I focus on the positive...on Loving...and that is what is returned to me...
...the Man I Love...is physically many miles from me right now...in a place far removed from this kind of Love...in Our Hearts...We are together...and when I play these songs...We can disappear into them...they are a Portal...into a World of Love...
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She is sharing her love and her philosophy of life with MusicBanter by sharing the music that moves her profoundly. I don't feel that there is any greater contribution that someone *could* make on a forum.
Love-song's above post was in response to the following one I made, where I stated my opinion that most love songs, such as one she had posted prior to mine, are too simplistic:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1020544
Here Love-song again responded to one of my posts:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1026502
Love-song responded to me yet again in the next post. She wrote, "Thank you...Vegangelica...and Bryan...for such a Beautiful song..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1021105
In this post she responded to comments made by Dj and Il Duce:
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Originally Posted by Love-song
Satriani is my favourite guitarist...his music has special meaning for Our Family...Yngwie ranks second for me...I love the way Vai plays...but don't care much for his music...I saw this live...it was Awesome...
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She posted a video in honor of another member who loves the song:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1011976
In this post, Love-song responded to a preceding one by Phanastasio by writing:
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Originally Posted by Love-song
...everyone has different ideas of Life...of Love...and isn't that the wonderful thing about music? ...You can find songs that express how You feel...
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Additional posts where Love-song gave commentary along with vidoes:
In the following post, Love-song wrote a lot about a musician:
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Originally Posted by Love-song
...I really liked Eric Sardinas' music better before Big Motor...when I first saw him with just a stand-up bass player and drummer...a very tight trio...I've had the pleasure of seeing him live several times in a now defunct small venue...my favourite guitar player to photograph...such wonderful expressions...a bit more rockin' now...which is great as well...I love dobro...and was fascinated the first time I saw him play...and still am watching the videos...
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Love-song wrote a short music review: "...Le Noise is wonderful...a man and his guitars...from soft acoustic...to rockin' electric...beautiful album..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1011221
http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1053573
http://www.musicbanter.com/classical...ml#post1034510
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1032960
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1029938
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029932
The following post appears to have been inspired by the one by another member preceding it:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029235
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1028658
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1027326
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/31425...ml#post1016498
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014943
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014915
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1011354
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1010657
http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1008113
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1005570
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...tml#post996785
Here she posted a comment *without* a video!
http://www.musicbanter.com/country-f...ml#post1002795
Finally, evidence that she puts effort into her posts, even if she isn't directly commenting on the videos:
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1035352
It takes time and concentration to build a post with that many youtube videos of "Amazing Grace" covers, each accompanied by excerpts from the lyrics.
I could go on and on because she has made comments in many additional posts.
My point is that Love-song *has* contributed to MusicBanter, and so I feel it is unfair to single her out publicly as a "non-contributor" who is just "spamming."
Love-song does no harm to others. She shares from her own life. She shares the music she loves. She responds to members. She is NEVER hurtful to other members. So I feel it is inappropriate that the moderators respond by questioning whether her posts should be here at MusicBanter.
Making an example of Love-song as the type of poster whose posts you might want to get rid of is MUCH worse than anything Love-song has ever posted, in my opinion.
I wish Love-song well. She hasn't posted in a while and given how few people seemed to appreciate her posts, I'm not surprised. It's a shame, though, because I feel you are overlooking people's contributions and may be driving nice people away by telling them their posts aren't "up to standards."