Paedantic Basterd

I retracted the first statement, and the second was in quotations, because it's a divided issue and some people think it's trash, some think it's worthwhile. It was a neutral way of phrasing it.

We've observed the activities for a while and didn't pay much mind to it, but it's recently been reported.

skaltezon

I understand. But instead of attempting to pass along the insults "neutrally" to no one in particular (and having to retract them piecemeal, because you're trusting in someone else's judgment), how about naming the complainers and the particular posters they're complaining about so we can clear the air?

Paedantic Basterd

We don't name people who report posts. This is common knowledge. Anybody reporting a post for any reason has a right to their privacy and anonymity. If they wanted to make a scene out of the matter, they'd have openly started an argument with the person they reported.

As for the first half of your post, I have no idea what you're talking about. Whether that's because I'm not following the way you're phrasing it, or because it's inaccurate, I have no idea. Rest assured that I'm not your enemy here, what I've offered is neutral ground for everyone (which nobody has directly disagreed with or attempted to debunk).

skaltezon

Regarding the first half of my post, you said that you know that no one listens to videos posted without commentary and then you retracted it. I infer from your retraction that you had been trusting what someone else said and then had changed your mind. You also said that members who "serially" post videos without comment aren't making a contribution. I'm taking that to be a restatement of someone else's judgment as well.

I don't think you're my enemy, but you're passing along the judgments of the anonymous complainers as if they're your own.

Paedantic Basterd

I said nobody watches them, because a couple of people said they don't here in this thread, and frankly, I don't either. It was a flippant comment, one that I could not care less I was wrong about. Let's focus on something worthwhile now.

I have no idea why you think the second statement is anyone's opinion but my own. You've assumed a lot here. I take full responsibility for my comments. I definitely think most picture/video posts are a waste of space. Notice how even so, I'm still offering up a remedy to the situation that you still have not addressed at all. I'm getting the feeling that you're not interested in a solution for everyone so much as arguing about the semantics of the issue.

I'm going to bed now. Unless you're going to discuss my offered solutions and either approve or deny them, with evidence, I'm done here. Arguing about the perceived negativity in my posts has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

skaltezon

It's an actual negativity, not a perceived one. Thanks for making that clear. As for your solution, I don't give a bucket of piss what you do.

VEGANGELICA

I prefer (1).

If there is a thread where the Original Poster does not like it that people are frequently posting YouTube videos or images without commentary, then the Original Post can be edited to say, "Commentary on YouTube videos and images is required. Posts containing only YouTube videos or images will be deleted."

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djchameleon

If people are too close minded to play a video putting a blurb about it wont entice them to hit play. They will just gloss over as usual

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

djchameleon

Sorry for the double post. Had issues trying to edit the last one.

Honestly, I don't see what the big deal is. The serial youtube posters are posting videos in threads that are designed for it, I could understand it being spam if they were creating multiple threads and just posting a video.

If you want to be nitpicky about forum "quality" then just move those high traffic threads to games along with lastfm thread and albums you are digging.

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Fame, fortune, power, titties. People say these are the most crucial things in life, but you can have a pocket full o' gold and it doesn't mean sh*t if you don't have someone to share that gold with. Seems simple. Yet it's an important lesson to learn. Even lone wolves run in packs sometimes.

VEGANGELICA

I agree.

Freebase, I was thinking more last night about why I am bothered by the idea of requiring members who prefer posting youtube videos to make personal statements about their feelings.

In addition to what Stu says above, I don't like the way people are targeting certain members as potential spammers, with you giving Love-song as an example, when those members *have* contributed more than just youtube videos and are also people I like. So when I see Urban referring to their posts as "rubbish" and others calling what they contribute "spam," that bothers me.

I'm concerned that if you are holding people and their posts on trial, judging the quality of their contributions, then you may not be reading *all* their posts and thus may by judging them unfairly.

For example, below are some posts where Love-song *did* post more than just a video:

Love-song shares her life philosophy and musical interests in the following post, which she wrote in reply to one of mine. If you want to learn what Love-song says about herself and music, then you should make sure to read this:

She is sharing her love and her philosophy of life with MusicBanter by sharing the music that moves her profoundly. I don't feel that there is any greater contribution that someone *could* make on a forum.

Love-song's above post was in response to the following one I made, where I stated my opinion that most love songs, such as one she had posted prior to mine, are too simplistic: http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1020544

Here Love-song again responded to one of my posts:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1026502

Love-song responded to me yet again in the next post. She wrote, "Thank you...Vegangelica...and Bryan...for such a Beautiful song..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1021105

In this post she responded to comments made by Dj and Il Duce:
She posted a video in honor of another member who loves the song:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1011976

In this post, Love-song responded to a preceding one by Phanastasio by writing:
Additional posts where Love-song gave commentary along with vidoes:

In the following post, Love-song wrote a lot about a musician:
Love-song wrote a short music review: "...Le Noise is wonderful...a man and his guitars...from soft acoustic...to rockin' electric...beautiful album..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1011221

http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1053573

http://www.musicbanter.com/classical...ml#post1034510

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1032960

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1029938

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029932

The following post appears to have been inspired by the one by another member preceding it:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029235

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1028658

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1027326

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/31425...ml#post1016498

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014943

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014915

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1011354

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1010657

http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1008113

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1005570

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...tml#post996785

Here she posted a comment *without* a video!
http://www.musicbanter.com/country-f...ml#post1002795

Finally, evidence that she puts effort into her posts, even if she isn't directly commenting on the videos:

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1035352

It takes time and concentration to build a post with that many youtube videos of "Amazing Grace" covers, each accompanied by excerpts from the lyrics.

I could go on and on because she has made comments in many additional posts.

My point is that Love-song *has* contributed to MusicBanter, and so I feel it is unfair to single her out publicly as a "non-contributor" who is just "spamming."

Love-song does no harm to others. She shares from her own life. She shares the music she loves. She responds to members. She is NEVER hurtful to other members. So I feel it is inappropriate that the moderators respond by questioning whether her posts should be here at MusicBanter.

Making an example of Love-song as the type of poster whose posts you might want to get rid of is MUCH worse than anything Love-song has ever posted, in my opinion.

I wish Love-song well. She hasn't posted in a while and given how few people seemed to appreciate her posts, I'm not surprised. It's a shame, though, because I feel you are overlooking people's contributions and may be driving nice people away by telling them their posts aren't "up to standards."

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