Originally Posted by mr dave

So if they don't have the 'right' to challenge your perspective... why do 'you' have the right to challenge them to step out of their personal preferences to consider a different view?

Why do you consider noise to be music? Why are you using a different term? One that's typically associated with dissonant, atonal sound devoid of traditional or recognizable rhythms and melodies. That lacking tonal familiarity within noise IS a fundamental aspect of music to the vast majority of listeners.

Fact is the responses you've presented here are pretentious. You're just twisting what they're saying to use it against them like it amounts to anything. I mean really... it's more pretentious to say that noise can't be music than to say it can. That's just weak. I'm sure you've posted wiser things than that in the past and if that's the kind of 'justifying' you pull while debating with people face to face then you deserve the names and derision.

If you really want to pull out wild far reaching ideas on ambiguous aspects of art and stuff you need to figure out a way to do it which encompasses as many differing and conflicting views as possible, otherwise you're always going to be facing conflict.