Do you consider electronic music creators musicians?

**Janszoon** · 03-05-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrd00d

Lol Wut

So did Farfisa just say he's been waiting for someone to tell him he's full of **** and now that that's happened once he can retire? /don'tunderstand

Quick, Mrd00d, tell me I'm full of shit!

Freebase Dali · 03-05-2012, 08:01 PM

I like how challenging someone's opinion now equates to treating someone like a 5-year-old...

Alex, I know you're reading this now as a guest, because the only way you wouldn't is if you were the kind of person that wouldn't have just left for the reason you did. I just want to let you know that you haven't solved anything. You've simply extricated yourself from a little portion of the internet that prides itself on being open, honest, and sometimes hurts your pride. I'm not sure what kind of world you live in where you're from, but I'm guessing that will tend to happen anywhere on this earth when there are human beings involved. But now, you've left from the only place where it happens to you while you're not looking them in the face.
I'd think this would be the best place to be challenged so you can learn to grow up and deal with it, because you won't be able to run away every time in real life.
Yea, this place is no substitute for real life, but if you can't handle it here, then I have little hope for you in your actual endeavors.

I'm not saying this to be an ass hole. I might seem like one now, but the intent behind it should be obvious. If it isn't, I hope you'll return when it is...

Dr_Rez · 03-05-2012, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Alex, I know you're reading this now as a guest

Hopeing thats true, let me say this. I have read enough of Mr. Daves posts over the years to realize when he dissagree's with someone (a few times myself) he doesnt mean it as a personal attack. Realize when disagreeing or debating something through text it is easy to lose the intention of ones words due to not being able to physically see them.

I suck at describing anything so Ill put it simply. I highly doubt he meant anything personal or to belittle you. While many people on this forum do that to people I am quite sure he is not one of them. Hopefully you wise up and return because your a good poster, one of which actually posts in music forums.

@freebase: I was stupid to pick Fornication this week. Idk what the **** to do at all. Sounded cool at the time. Perhaps a porno bassline with groaning over it?

MoonlitSunshine · 03-06-2012, 02:29 PM

For me, the distinction is in whether it is an original composition. An electronic artist who creates is a musician, an electronic artist who simply remixes, is not.

steve0211 · 03-07-2012, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

For me, the distinction is in whether it is an original composition. An electronic artist who creates is a musician, an electronic artist who simply remixes, is not.

this!

Remixers fall into the category of producers as i understand it.

Dr_Rez · 03-07-2012, 11:50 AM

It looks like a melody maker.

anticipation · 03-10-2012, 05:25 PM

In my eyes, any artist who uses electronic implements to create music is a musician. Artists who use instruments, such as guitarists, pianists, bassists, etc., to create music are also musicians. The distinctions only differ when you wish to further describe what kind of music such artists make. Is hip hop any less hip hop-py when using a real symphony/ensemble instead of a traditional beat? In my opinion, it is not.

mr dave · 03-11-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation

In my eyes, any artist who uses electronic implements to create music is a musician. Artists who use instruments, such as guitarists, pianists, bassists, etc., to create music are also musicians. The distinctions only differ when you wish to further describe what kind of music such artists make. Is hip hop any less hip hop-py when using a real symphony/ensemble instead of a traditional beat? In my opinion, it is not.

Here's my beef with that angle. Let's say you're realm is the visual arts. You've dedicated years of your life to learn to paint. Then some kid shows up, snaps a digital photo of a scene you've been working on, spends a few hours in Photoshop running filters over the image and then VOILA! their end result looks like a painting. Is that person an actual artist or just an image manipulator?

That's the thing that seems to be lacking for me. A lot of people arguing that angle seem to put musical instruments on the same level as the computer - it's just a tool the musician uses. Which, on one level is completely true and accurate. On another it's complete wrong. There is no other purpose for a piano, guitar, drums, etc to exist other than to make music. That's why they were invented. The computer, not so much.

I guess that's really my main beef with computer / non computer musicians. If you've never actually learned a musical instrument I can't bring myself to call you an actual musician. The computer is NOT a musical instrument.

GuitarBizarre · 03-11-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

Here's my beef with that angle. Let's say you're realm is the visual arts. You've dedicated years of your life to learn to paint. Then some kid shows up, snaps a digital photo of a scene you've been working on, spends a few hours in Photoshop running filters over the image and then VOILA! their end result looks like a painting. Is that person an actual artist or just an image manipulator?

That's the thing that seems to be lacking for me. A lot of people arguing that angle seem to put musical instruments on the same level as the computer - it's just a tool the musician uses. Which, on one level is completely true and accurate. On another it's complete wrong. There is no other purpose for a piano, guitar, drums, etc to exist other than to make music. That's why they were invented. The computer, not so much.

I guess that's really my main beef with computer / non computer musicians. If you've never actually learned a musical instrument I can't bring myself to call you an actual musician. The computer is NOT a musical instrument.

I think your argumen falls down when you consider what something can be made to be. A urinal isn't inherently art, a knife is not inherently a murder weapon, a human being is not inherently a serial killer, and a computer is not inherently a musical instrument.

But its entirely possible for any of those things to be all of those things by virtue of what someone does with them.

~~Rubato~~ · 03-11-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

Here's my beef with that angle. Let's say you're realm is the visual arts. You've dedicated years of your life to learn to paint. Then some kid shows up, snaps a digital photo of a scene you've been working on, spends a few hours in Photoshop running filters over the image and then VOILA! their end result looks like a painting. Is that person an actual artist or just an image manipulator?

Fine art photography is very much a part of art and has been used by many artists.

you seem to be using the term artist and musician as if it's an esteemed title to be bestowed only to those that worked on a particular skill set that you value. Whether an artist has any worth to you or anyone else is irrelevant, if they're working in visual arts they would be considered an artist, the medium they use to do it won't change that.

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03-05-2012, 08:01 PM	#2 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	I like how challenging someone's opinion now equates to treating someone like a 5-year-old... Alex, I know you're reading this now as a guest, because the only way you wouldn't is if you were the kind of person that wouldn't have just left for the reason you did. I just want to let you know that you haven't solved anything. You've simply extricated yourself from a little portion of the internet that prides itself on being open, honest, and sometimes hurts your pride. I'm not sure what kind of world you live in where you're from, but I'm guessing that will tend to happen anywhere on this earth when there are human beings involved. But now, you've left from the only place where it happens to you while you're not looking them in the face. I'd think this would be the best place to be challenged so you can learn to grow up and deal with it, because you won't be able to run away every time in real life. Yea, this place is no substitute for real life, but if you can't handle it here, then I have little hope for you in your actual endeavors. I'm not saying this to be an ass hole. I might seem like one now, but the intent behind it should be obvious. If it isn't, I hope you'll return when it is...

03-10-2012, 05:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,561	In my eyes, any artist who uses electronic implements to create music is a musician. Artists who use instruments, such as guitarists, pianists, bassists, etc., to create music are also musicians. The distinctions only differ when you wish to further describe what kind of music such artists make. Is hip hop any less hip hop-py when using a real symphony/ensemble instead of a traditional beat? In my opinion, it is not.