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Originally Posted by Salami
I really really disagree with this I'm afraid. For a start, "rock climbing is not a sport unless in the format of a competition"...
Here are a few sources which disagree with you, in order of reliability:
Start Climbing - Part 1 : Introduction & Overview | Rock Climbing Articles | Rockclimbing.com Read: "Climbing is both an individualistic and social sport: when you're on the rock you can only count on your skills to get to the top."
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Now this is a perfectly legitimate sport and never hints at being competitive.
Rock climbing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Secondly: "Education is competitive, but the competition is not the end goal of education." This is not only a statement I disagree with, but also one which I think is irrelevant. End goal different to sport? Why should the end goal be important at all? The nature of it is what I'm using here - and the fact that you are in competition for university places and subsequently the best jobs means that it is competitive.
If you take issue with this, it's going to be a question of semantics.
Sounds deceptive to me, actually.
I never accused you of saying that you wanted it as a substitute.
Once again, please explain why even a simple definition here:
as Pedestrian quoted earlier, is insufficient.
I really don't see how sport which is DEFINED as ATHLETIC can possibly be denied, but fair enough.
Perhaps could you explain if this is a definition you have a problem with?
OK, I'm not bothering to read it again I'm afraid, so feel free to requote it.
It isn't an appeal to tradition. If "athletic" is an integral part of the DEFINITION, then it isn't a false appeal of any kind whatsoever. |
*sigh* we COVERED this. Please, read through the thread thoroughly. We did in fact discover that athletic is defined as a product of athlete, and athlete is defined in accordance with the concept of eSports, as there is sufficient breadth to the definition to encompass games and contests of skill rather than strength or endurance.
As regards rock climbing, I disagree with you. I think its misleading to imply that simply because websites ABOUT rock climbing claim sport is involved, that those are actually sports. I can accept rock climbing as a sport if the competitive framework is either faster climbing or being the first to climb somewhere, but I can't accept that rock climbing is a sport outside of that instance.
Regards the definition pedestrian quoted, we also covered that earlier. Since you're quoting from the first page of the thread, allow me to quote my reply to exactly what you quoted:
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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre
Which part of the definition? Its an activity, it requires skill and some measure of physical prowess, and it is competitive by nature. I see no part of the dictionary definition for sports that conflicts with the concept of eSports, assuming that the dexterity requirements qualify it as a sport the same way they do for Darts or Snooker.
I had thought that perhaps "athletic" would be contradictory, but all definitions of athletic or athletics depend on the definition of an athlete, which is defined in accordance with eSports also, as both the current and classical definitions accept the skill/dexterity requirement as a possible defining factor.
noun
a person trained or gifted in exercises or contests involving physical agility, stamina, or strength; a participant in a sport, exercise, or game requiring physical skill.
Origin:
1520–30; < Latin āthlēta < Greek āthlētḗs, equivalent to āthlē- (variant stem of āthleîn to contend for a prize, derivative of âthlos a contest) + -tēs suffix of agency
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And allow me to also point out here that by utilising this definition in the manner you intend, you eliminate all the sports I quoted, which are recognised and accepted general sporting events, from being considered as part of the category within which they very clearly fit.
I think you're very much cherrypicking here and glossing over responses to points you're regurgitating.
As for education - The end goal of education is to be educated. One takes notice of the uses which education has and aims for personal improvement in the field sufficient to be better suited for other endeavours. There is nothing about education which is akin to sporting competition. A spelling bee would be a different matter, since at that point competition and victory IS the end goal, rather than the personal improvement.
I think you have a real issue with considering the difference between exercise and sports. They aren't the same thing. One does not imply or deny the other.