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Old 08-23-2012, 06:58 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by duga View Post
[edited out for brevity]...but here's how I think of it: matter in the universe had to come from somewhere. Let's go with the big bang theory. Everything got packed together in such a dense and tiny space that it exploded and created the universe. Where did all those molecules come from in the first place? Another big bang? I think that's the most likely situation.
I've often thought about the logical assumption that "something cannot come from nothing", and in the context of what you said about humans thinking in linear terms, I can't help but wonder if that assumption isn't misguided in some sense.
Let me explain...
We think of as a state of "nothingness" as a state where no physical property exists. That may be more than an intuitive assumption, based on our own definition of the concept, but the concept itself relies on a logical assumption that nothingness itself is a default state in the beginning of a linear progression into "something". Because our logic is rooted in linearity in many ways, it's hard to not assume that first there was nothing, and then there was something.

But, what if that thinking is incorrect? What if there is no natural state of nothingness wherein a state of physical property has somehow occupied? What if the natural state of existence is, by default, a physical property which contains and allows for the potential of change to occur? What if there is no such thing as nothing?

To me, that would mean that at the very basic, fundamental level of "existence" there could be some property outside of the universe that doesn't simply accommodate the presence of physical properties as a vessel, but is, in essence, the very fabric by which those properties originate.
And when I say "change", I refer to a process, perhaps continuous in its state, whereby things like the Big Bang occur simply due to the nature of the way this fundamental state behaves.

Simply put, would it be unreasonable to suggest that something never came from nothing, because our universe is just born of a system that has properties and naturally occurs, and matter is just simply an eventuality?

I know it seems like a lazy assumption by scientific standards, and hardly quantifiable, but as a mere thought experiment where the results are produced from imagination (Dangerously close to religion, I know), would I be assuming the earth is flat, or round (in a manner of speaking)?
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