Quick thought on eternity

Guybrush · 08-21-2012, 07:59 AM

Infinity doesn't mean everything imaginable has to happen. I think the traditional thought is that everything possible should happen, but even that is debatable

What if the universe dies and is just spread thinner and thinner for eternity, a cold black darkness which supported life for a short while, but where nothing much happened for the rest of eternity?

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 08-21-2012, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Infinity doesn't mean everything imaginable has to happen. I think the traditional thought is that everything possible should happen, but even that is debatable

What if the universe dies and is just spread thinner and thinner for eternity, a cold black darkness which supported life for a short while, but where nothing much happened for the rest of eternity?

Why wouldn't that have happened already, given there was an infinite amount of time or some time-like structure before this current phase in existence?

Guybrush · 08-21-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

Why wouldn't that have happened already, given there was an infinite amount of time or some time-like structure before this current phase in existence?

Perhaps matter and energy in an infinite universe does not behave in such a cyclical way with repeating seasons. Who knows?

duga · 08-22-2012, 12:59 PM

I find it fascinating that until proven otherwise, humans assume everything is flat and linear. We thought the Earth was flat, and considering the reaction many of the early round-Earth proponents got (like being executed) we really do have a hard time wrapping our heads around something that isn't in a straight line. Space is vast, but I feel there is a good possibility that it isn't just some infinite sprawl. A few things are currently accepted as possibilities...we will expand and eventually contract resulting in another big bang (essentially starting things over), we will expand forever, resulting in increased disorder, or perhaps we will keep expanding and everything will "come around" and converge again to create the big bang. Maybe that's all a bunch of crap, but here's how I think of it: matter in the universe had to come from somewhere. Let's go with the big bang theory. Everything got packed together in such a dense and tiny space that it exploded and created the universe. Where did all those molecules come from in the first place? Another big bang? I think that's the most likely situation.

**Janszoon** · 08-22-2012, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

I find it fascinating that until proven otherwise, humans assume everything is flat and linear. We thought the Earth was flat, and considering the reaction many of the early round-Earth proponents got (like being executed) we really do have a hard time wrapping our heads around something that isn't in a straight line. Space is vast, but I feel there is a good possibility that it isn't just some infinite sprawl. A few things are currently accepted as possibilities...we will expand and eventually contract resulting in another big bang (essentially starting things over), we will expand forever, resulting in increased disorder, or perhaps we will keep expanding and everything will "come around" and converge again to create the big bang. Maybe that's all a bunch of crap, but here's how I think of it: matter in the universe had to come from somewhere. Let's go with the big bang theory. Everything got packed together in such a dense and tiny space that it exploded and created the universe. Where did all those molecules come from in the first place? Another big bang? I think that's the most likely situation.

I thought the theory was that there were no molecules or atoms or even subatomic particles, just a singularity. It wasn't until after the bang that those things started to take shape.

duga · 08-22-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

I thought the theory was that there were no molecules or atoms or even subatomic particles, just a singularity. It wasn't until after the bang that those things started to take shape.

Ok, let's just call them...universe-ish thingies. They may not have been the elementary particles we are used to, but they weren't a singularity until they packed so tightly together that they were basically just one hyper-dense ball of energy waiting to blow up.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 08-22-2012, 03:55 PM

There's also theories that the big bang was the result of a white hole (the other end of a black hole from another universe). I guess everything the black holes consume has to go somewhere when they disappear.

FETCHER. · 08-22-2012, 04:12 PM

Blackholes blow my mind. I mean wtf.

Neapolitan · 08-22-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FETCHING.

Blackholes blow my mind. I mean wtf.

It's when gravity of a Neutron star is greater than the Strong Force that keep the neutrons apart, and the Neutron star collapses into itself to a single point.

Guybrush · 08-22-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

It's when gravity of a Neutron star is greater than the Strong Force that keep the neutrons apart, and the Neutron star collapses into itself to a single point.

Any sizeable celestial object of enough mass can become a black hole. Very large dead stars can become black holes when they die if they contain enough mass after their death. Neutron stars are dead stars that did become super compressed by gravity, but were not large enough to become black holes. The neutrons the dead star is made up of resists further gravitational compression.

So, I think it's wrong to say that black holes are formed by neutron stars.

08-21-2012, 07:59 AM	#11 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Infinity doesn't mean everything imaginable has to happen. I think the traditional thought is that everything possible should happen, but even that is debatable What if the universe dies and is just spread thinner and thinner for eternity, a cold black darkness which supported life for a short while, but where nothing much happened for the rest of eternity? __________________ Something Completely Different

08-22-2012, 12:59 PM	#14 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	I find it fascinating that until proven otherwise, humans assume everything is flat and linear. We thought the Earth was flat, and considering the reaction many of the early round-Earth proponents got (like being executed) we really do have a hard time wrapping our heads around something that isn't in a straight line. Space is vast, but I feel there is a good possibility that it isn't just some infinite sprawl. A few things are currently accepted as possibilities...we will expand and eventually contract resulting in another big bang (essentially starting things over), we will expand forever, resulting in increased disorder, or perhaps we will keep expanding and everything will "come around" and converge again to create the big bang. Maybe that's all a bunch of crap, but here's how I think of it: matter in the universe had to come from somewhere. Let's go with the big bang theory. Everything got packed together in such a dense and tiny space that it exploded and created the universe. Where did all those molecules come from in the first place? Another big bang? I think that's the most likely situation. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

08-22-2012, 03:55 PM	#17 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	There's also theories that the big bang was the result of a white hole (the other end of a black hole from another universe). I guess everything the black holes consume has to go somewhere when they disappear.