Freebase Dali

Your observations seem to be neglecting some key points:

1. The member is not a newcomer. They're someone that changed their name. Their join date and post count should be sufficient for discerning this information.

2. Other members resort to frustration after multiple attempted reasoning fails, and since other members are ALSO PART OF THE COMMUNITY, their input is just as valid. Whether their reactions are acceptable or not is really the question here, but we cannot question their reactions without also questioning why those reactions take place in context with the situation, which isn't simply that someone has an unpopular opinion, and IS that such a person is joining a COMMUNITY debate about behaviors where such a person frames their position in such a way as to be progressively antagonistic in response to the community not agreeing. Perception is just as important as intent, and you seem to be disregarding the wider perception because you're not seeing past your own. I challenge you to make an assumption about community reactions had Sopsych framed his debate in a way people would be receptive to, rather than defensive to. And you cannot simply fault the defensive reactions without also faulting the causal factors. It works both ways. For instance, you are framing your position in a way that does not antagonize others, yet you are pushing an unpopular opinion. It should be obvious why you're getting a different reception, and it has nothing to do with the fact that you're Tore. If you had the same attitude that Sopsych has displayed, you'd be getting the same reactions he did, whether that's a failure of behavior or not.

3. Moderators can have their own opinions, and the fact that they might line up with the majority of people in a discussion does not mean what you're making it out to mean. I understand why you would make such a correlation in favor of your own bias, however, it should be pretty clear that an unpopular opinion is simply going to be unpopular for the majority, just like yours is right now. The only reason your posts are moved to their own thread is because they're framed along the discussion of this thread as intended, and are not antagonistic, in reference to the perception of the community, which is what mods are here to look after. If the entire community was in here on the same lines as Sopsych and yourself, then and only then could you point at unfairly defensive moderator behavior looking out for their own interests. You know we're not robots, and we are also part of the community. Just because we happen to align ideologically with the majority points only to statistical probability, not subversive behaviors. And, also, it should be noted that this is a discussion that really requires moderators to be a part of, so our positions are relevant here in the broader discussion.

4. Situation escalates to the point where a moderator felt the need to separate a divergence in discussion from spoiling the intent of a post. Which clearly has not been effective. The ineffectiveness of it is the only thing you can fault here, and it's on all of our heads.

If we want to discuss how to improve this place, anyone that knows anything about how people react to criticism should be careful to make sure that their efforts don't undercut their intentions, and this goes for all sides. We would all be better off if we focused on what we can do better, rather than what we're doing wrong. The sooner this happens, the more receptive individuals will be to the kind of discussion we really need to be having here.

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