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Originally Posted by Crowquill
I want to be clear, when I said hardcore, I'm referring pretty exclusively to approximately 80-84 (the first wave of hardcore.) I agree with you this changed dramatically by the late eighties, with crossover thrash bands, post-hardcore bands, et cetera. I was responding to Forward to Death's question about how it was founded as a sound though, which was simplistic rock and not the genre-bending stuff we see today. Hardcore now is all over the place now (obviously - you can take almost any word and add "core" to it and probably find a band it applies to.)
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The earliest bands were heavily influenced by jazz though, so I don't quite get that hardcore was somehow "simpler" from 1980-1984. What would you consider to be the first hardcore album? Most consider it Bad Brains' self-titled, which definitely has a jazz influence, and is certainly not the simplistic rock that you're saying generalizes most of the genre. Maybe
Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, which I guess is pretty rock influenced, but I never really considered them to be one of the jazzy hardcore bands anyways. Bad Brains, Black Flag, NoMeansNo, heck even the Suicidal Tendencies S/T is more intricate than what I'd consider "simplistic rock". That's 4 of the most influential early hardcore bands right there.