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Originally Posted by Janszoon
I agree that they're vague but I think they imply certain hard to define things about the aesthetic.
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I think both terms work alongside another descriptor such as "Rock" or "Country", when on their own they can't really define anything. If I said "Death Grips are an Indie band" it isn't going to help you understand what type of music they make, if anything, it will steer you in the wrong direction because of those assumptions/implications that go along with the words "indie" and "alternative".