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Originally Posted by PhantomMartyr
The Ramones are a vaguely Punk forerunner band?p
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Wasn't talking about the Ramones.
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You do know that The Pistols were influenced directly by The New York Dolls,
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Yeah. And?
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and also by The Ramones, right?
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How could they possibly have been influenced by the Ramones when they were around before the Ramones ever released a record? How could the Sex Pistols have been influenced by the Ramones when they didn't even know what they sounded like?
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Even if you want to take out the Protopunk bands, The Sex Pistols still didn't create Punk. In fact, read the excellent book Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History Of Punk. Not only is it a fantastic read, but it talks about how the New York Punks were pissed off because they felt that the British Punks ripped off their music their style, their attitude, and got all the credit for it.
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New York punks? You mean Blondie? Television? The Voidoids? If they want to pretend they're punk bands then more power to them. Maybe the Heartbreakers might count, but other than that... yeah. The punk movement was started in England. Period. Whatever band might happen to be the first band that ticked all the right musical boxes at the earliest possible time is almost beside the point, because without England they would have just been another isolated band that would have likely fallen by the wayside of history just like the Stooges, the New York Dolls, and the Velvet Underground (all bands that only really get retroactive notice because of punk).