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Since when? Half of this thread is about the current state of mainstream hiphop and how it is degrading to the black community. I'm telling you an outlet does exist for people to not pimp themselves to the corporate music industry but it's not as lucrative therefore it's not as appealing. If that's not relevant to this discussion I don't know what is.
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We are discussing the changes in current mainstream rap music, yes BUT we haven't really discussed rappers and MC's who are still trying to keep real Hip Hop music alive. You were the first person to actually bring that point up. It is not mentioned at all before your post.
I already specified when this was addressed to me earlier that I was only speaking on the mainstream rap music. I never implied Hip Hop didn't exist anymore.
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It evolved to what it is today because that's what is appealing to the people who contribute the most to record sales. It's not a race thing it's a taste thing.
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It evolved to what it is today because it was stripped from its culture to be more appealing to a wider audience and to have cross over appeal. It was changed so it could appeal more to white people.
This has
everything to do with race.
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How could something with origins in the west be westernized? Corporatized? sure. Westernized? no.
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Because it was not created by westernize principles. It was created by African Americans and the African American experience.
Once the record labels and Corporations got their hands on it, they changed it so it could have cross over appeal and appeal to more people. I don't see how you can not see once something is changed it is being stripped of its original form.
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My definition of westernizing is when western ideology/culture is forced upon or purposefully absorbed by another culture. China opening McDonalds/Starbucks is an example of westernization, not inner city black people selling out to corporate white men to have a chance at success and helping their family.
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Its more to it besides just that specifically. The corporations now control the type of lyrics and production that is formed on these songs. They control the image and the direction of these rap music videos. They control how these songs and rappers are marketed. The way they are commercialized is very influenced by the western culture.
Bling Bling, Rims, Half naked women, Alot of money is not really an accurate reflection of "Hip Hop" but its a artificial fantasy that sells to a wider audience.
For instance, rapping about innocent black kids getting shot in the ghettos by crooked cops does not sell to a wide audience. When NWA tried to do it, they got banned and it stirred a lot of controversy.
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No I can not. That is an observation I have made after following the underground scene for the past 10 years. Just go on youtube and look for yourself.
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I agree that there are talented white MC's trying to keep hip hop alive but I disagree with you insisting them being the bigger percentage compared to minorities in Hip Hop. That is just an exaggeration.
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I attribute it to the fact that white kids are more privileged in this country so if they try and fail it doesn't have nearly the impact it would for minorities.
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AGREE.
I really appreciate you saying this. I hope CoNtrivedNiHilism saw this.
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Black people have been depicted negatively in the media since this country was founded and it has nothing to do with hiphop. Racism still runs rampant.
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AGREE and thanks because I was beginning think most here were racist and did not want to acknowledge this fact.
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Regardless of that fact this is more about classicism than race. The people you are talking about who are abusing black culture would do the same thing to any other race/person to make a dollar. Have you seen/heard Iggy Azalia? The difference is the inner city black community is the most susceptible because poor living conditions make for easy exploitation.
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This has to do with race as well love.
Classicism exists because of racism ESPECIALLY for African Americans.
It has ALWAYS been that way and it will continue to for that very reason.
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I know you don't know me very well (vice versa) but I can almost guarantee that no one is more on your side, when it comes to the current state of hiphop, than me. However, you are going about this the wrong way.
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I really appreciate your responses and I really appreciate the fact that you maintained respect and did not revert to name calling which you could have easily done. I am not handling this topic wrong.
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Edit: On a side not, their is ZERO I repeat ZERO correlation between skin color and ability the ability to educate. That point you made about your professor feels like you forcing race on an issue that has nothing to do with it.
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I was not implying that it did. I don't think it does either.
I mentioned it to show that there are a lot of white people who feel the same way as I do about this topic and racism in America overall.
So it is not just
minorities who feel this way.