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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
I disagree. Your average uneducated music listener can recognize patterns in traditional genres and that is what tends to dictate if they find a song catchy or appealing. If you played the rock you mentioned 100 years ago they might not like it but they would still be able to recognize melody in it. It wouldn't be "just noise".
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It would probably sound like "just noise" to them, and the reason why is that rock would not be a "traditional genre" to someone from 100 years ago. My grandfather grew up in the 1910s and 1920s listening to classical and ragtime and he thought The Beatles were "just noise". One of his big gripes about rock in general was that to him it had no melody.
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
With math metal/grindcore etc anyone who isn't educated in music won't understand what is going on. They may like the sound of it but they sure as hell are not recognizing the points that Jans made.
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I'm not educated in music. I never went to music school or anything. I can't break down what's being played into esoteric bits of music theory. I just know very basic things like what the words "melody" and "harmony" mean, which I think is pretty common knowledge. I don't think it takes a musical education to listen to someone playing a guitar and recognize that they are playing notes on it, something which happens in grindcore, math rock, etc.