Originally Posted by Mr. Charlie

Meditate in such a way so that you become aware that what you really are is the awareness itself - not the thinking mind, or have a religious experience, or do enough drugs so that you have a mystical experience, or experience Oneness in some form, then the soup and spoon analogy might, might!, make sense.

And that's the trouble with these conversations, there really is no substitute for the experience. What's being described cannot be described, and so it comes across as flowery or lofty and annoying and almost always end up with mocking.

Sometimes I wonder if it's the ego defending itself because all this stuff is it's greatest threat. Haha. But whatever. It's all good.