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Originally Posted by grindy
We're a pussy forum now and conflicts are deescalated preemptively so **** you all and carry on I guess.
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**** that.
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Originally Posted by Chula Vista
Agreed. Was enjoying the debate actually.
Bat, I think it's a bit of a stretch between "The Pentagon assisted in making a movie" and "Because of the FOIA, the Pentagon turned over 8 pages of records related to all conflicts after WWII, and some of that info was used in helping to make post WWII war movies more factual".
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The United States military is not "helping" studios to make movies factual. They leverage their millions/billions of dollars in equipment to force studios to portray the military in a way that they want. If a studio forgoes that Pentagon stamp of approval they need to pay a king's ransom for all of that premium equipment and if they do that then there's a vastly improved likelihood that they won't have the money to make the kind of movie that Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan did. It's much like a band forgoing major label money to make an album without the production quality and distribution network that a major label brings. It's basically hamstringing a movie and many of those movies have suffered in the box office because of it. It's extortion tbh.
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The Pentagon (Government) spends billions of dollars a year in PR in an effort to make military service seem glorified, even glamorous.
The few, the proud, the marines!!!
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Yes. And Hollywood war movies are a legitimate part of this propoganda and if it weren't they wouldn't bother giving the time of day to Hollywood.
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The movies I listed all made military service, the military itself, and in some cases, the government look like a nightmare in hell.
Friendly Fire was based on the true story of a fervent antiwar activist for cripes sake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peg_Mullen
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There are definitely movies that have foregone the Pentagon stamp of approval and many of them have fallen by the wayside because of it. Movies like Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket have done this and won big due to their refusal to compromise but those are not the rule.
And there's still the issue I and Frown have pointed out that even if a movie doesn't engage in jingoism it still generally portrays soldiers sympathetically, and that's basically all you need to do to make an audience root for soldiers, which all by itself encourages the public to deify the military.