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Old 06-30-2018, 01:12 PM   #21721 (permalink)
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We're a pussy forum now and conflicts are deescalated preemptively so **** you all and carry on I guess.
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Old 06-30-2018, 01:26 PM   #21722 (permalink)
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That Vince Vaughn flick is great BTW. I use to have a hard time with him in serious roles, since he built a career on snark and sarcasm. After S2 of True Detective, and now this flick, that's all changed. Dude's a powerhouse.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:09 PM   #21723 (permalink)
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Agreed. Was enjoying the debate actually.

Bat, I think it's a bit of a stretch between "The Pentagon assisted in making a movie" and "Because of the FOIA, the Pentagon turned over 8 pages of records related to all conflicts after WWII, and some of that info was used in helping to make post WWII war movies more factual".
The United States military is not "helping" studios to make movies factual. They leverage their millions/billions of dollars in equipment to force studios to portray the military in a way that they want. If a studio forgoes that Pentagon stamp of approval they need to pay a king's ransom for all of that premium equipment and if they do that then there's a vastly improved likelihood that they won't have the money to make the kind of movie that Black Hawk Down or Saving Private Ryan did. It's much like a band forgoing major label money to make an album without the production quality and distribution network that a major label brings. It's basically hamstringing a movie and many of those movies have suffered in the box office because of it. It's extortion tbh.

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Yes. And Hollywood war movies are a legitimate part of this propoganda and if it weren't they wouldn't bother giving the time of day to Hollywood.

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The movies I listed all made military service, the military itself, and in some cases, the government look like a nightmare in hell.

Friendly Fire was based on the true story of a fervent antiwar activist for cripes sake.

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There are definitely movies that have foregone the Pentagon stamp of approval and many of them have fallen by the wayside because of it. Movies like Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket have done this and won big due to their refusal to compromise but those are not the rule.

And there's still the issue I and Frown have pointed out that even if a movie doesn't engage in jingoism it still generally portrays soldiers sympathetically, and that's basically all you need to do to make an audience root for soldiers, which all by itself encourages the public to deify the military.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:24 PM   #21724 (permalink)
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Seeing it today. I have very high hopes.
Probably a movie you'll only watch today and never again. It's a very dreadful watch.
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When are video game movies gonna kick off the way superhero movies did?

Final Fantasy Tactics, MGS, and Overwatch please.
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Old 06-30-2018, 02:59 PM   #21726 (permalink)
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Yeah, because the Warcraft movie was soooo great.
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Old 06-30-2018, 03:04 PM   #21727 (permalink)
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There are definitely movies that have foregone the Pentagon stamp of approval and many of them have fallen by the wayside because of it. Movies like Apocalypse Now, Platoon, and Full Metal Jacket have done this and won big due to their refusal to compromise but those are not the rule.

And there's still the issue I and Frown have pointed out that even if a movie doesn't engage in jingoism it still generally portrays soldiers sympathetically, and that's basically all you need to do to make an audience root for soldiers, which all by itself encourages the public to deify the military.
I understand your points. I just don't fully agree with them.

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There are zero video game movies worth anything at all as far as I know. Well except maybe the first Mortal Kombat movie. It's hilariously cheesy. Most video game movies are self serious and dull. And poorly written. When the second most fun you've had watching a video game movie was watching Uwe Boll's House of the Dead movie, it's time to pack it up for that useless abomination of a sub genre. /grumpy movie snob rant.



Anway, this evening I finally got around to watching The Name of the Rose. Just ****ing fantastic! Atmosphere in spades and a cleverly written crime mystery, heavily tied in with religious themes. Setting the story in a secluded monastery in the time of the inquisition leads to all sorts of interesting thematic shadings and interesting characters. Lots of memorable actor performances in the movie as well - not just Sean Connery's detective monk. And the soundtrack was perfect for the movie.

9/10 - totally worth watching. I'm certain most of you in here would actually really like it.
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There are zero video game movies worth anything at all as far as I know. Well except maybe the first Mortal Kombat movie. It's hilariously cheesy. Most video game movies are self serious and dull. And poorly written. When the second most fun you've had watching a video game movie was watching Uwe Boll's House of the Dead movie, it's time to pack it up for that useless abomination of a sub genre. /grumpy movie snob rant.



Anway, this evening I finally got around to watching The Name of the Rose. Just ****ing fantastic! Atmosphere in spades and a cleverly written crime mystery, heavily tied in with religious themes. Setting the story in a secluded monastery in the time of the inquisition leads to all sorts of interesting thematic shadings and interesting characters. Lots of memorable characters in the movie as well - not just Sean Connery's detective monk.

9/10 - totally worth watching. I'm certain most of you in here would actually really like it.
Have you read the book?
The movie is retarded, watered down hollywood **** compared to it.
I'm not even one of those books over movies guys, I try to enjoy both on their terms but this is just nah.
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Have you read the book?
The movie is retarded, watered down hollywood **** compared to it.
I'm not even one of those books over movies guys, I try to enjoy both on their terms but this is just nah.
No I haven't read the book. As the credits rolled, I actually wondered how much was missing. I think it works really well as a movie, but I'm not surprised if they simplified a lot of things. The way I see it, book adaptations will usually have to skip a lot of things, so they have to succeed on the visuals, atmosphere, etc. For me, the movie did really, really well as a piece of cinema, so to speak.
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