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Old 04-04-2019, 01:58 PM   #44 (permalink)
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The point of no return in vetoing self-initiated movements

Predetermination requires as much evidence as free will. I don't think that it's either/or.
Predetermination only requires evidence if you're coming from an emotional viewpoint influenced by religious concepts of both free will and predetermination. And yes it is either/or. Free will is a magical concept that is meaningless if you water it down to just some form of "not having a gun to your head".

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Well the moon isn't conscious as far as we know.
Consciousness is a nebulous concept humans invented and don't even understand.
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