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Old 08-14-2007, 02:34 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Well where would be the sense in telling them they do not have cancer? That has NO relavence. But this "cancer patient" could still learn the word of God and be promised that at the end they would reach a place with no pain or suffering. And this would comfort them.
It does have relevance. It is called a metaphor. A person who goes into the doctors office (a person who is born), for a cancer test because he has a lump on his back, is told that he does not have cancer (will not die, but have everlasting life) and will continue to live the rest of his life, even though he does have cancer and his death is imminent (even though when you die, your life is over). The releif he will get from being told he does not have cancer is comforting. Just like your belief that you will join god in a palace in the sky after you die is comforting. You cannot accept the fact that when you die, you are gone. Thats it, your life is over. So you gloss it over with wonderful stories of a magical palace in the sky where all your loved ones are and no one ever really dies and we all live happily ever after. Isn't that cute. Just because something gives you comfort does not make it true.


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I am more than willing to take that chance.
See, there is no chance. You could honestly believe that our souls will be returned to the immortal turtle who created us all, and we will all continue our after life in his protective shell. That doesn't change the fact that it is untrue, and when you die, you are dead. There are thousands and thousands of Gods, Yaweh is one of them. I know you think you are all devoted and whatnot, but so do every other adherant of every other religion. Your faith isn't special, all religious people claim they have it. The suicide bombers who are willing to strap bombs on themselves for their God, truly believe. Are they just wrong? And you're right? Allah is wrong, Yaweh is right? How about those billion other adherants to thousands of different religions? They're all wrong about God and you've got it right? Because on the off chance that the real God is the Great African JuJu, you will really be ****ed. When it comes down to it, Yaweh has no more evidence for his existance than Zeus does. The religious in this day and age for some reason view people who held those beliefs (which we know classify as 'mythology') were somehow backward, yet they've got it all figured out. Like the Romans beliefs were ridiculous but theirs are warranted. It is all the same, untrue.

Just think about it, people do not base ANY other of their beliefs on ZERO evidence, except God.
No one just up and believes that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow, just because. There is no evidence that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow. There is no evidence that God exists. Why is it widely accepted that God exists but not widely accepted that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow? There is equal evidence to support both, but the religious just throw their beliefs into God because their parents did, and their parents did, etc. etc.

Next, assuming God does exist, once again, what are the chances that the real God is Yaweh?
Yaweh seems like a pathetic God to me anyways. Desperate for people to believe in him.

Anyway, none of this matters because there is no evidence to support the existance of a God. If you can show me what evidence you base your faith on (there is none, hence the definition of faith being 'an unalterable belief in something based on no evidence'), then maybe I can see where you are coming from. The fact is that your faith is blind. Based on no evidence, just indoctrination. Or perhaps some 'religious experience' that you think you felt after all those 'tough times' in your life, which can be explained in a myriad of ways, and to assume that it must have been God is ridiculous.


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Excuse me, there is NOTHING disconnected in my brain. I am a bright young woman with a VERY promising future, and I still give my heart and soul, mind and body, into a purpose so great that I cannot fathom why anyone could be atheist. I've been through crisis. There were a few years in which I lost sight. Got into drugs, heavy drinking, dabbled in some sexual encounters, even became suicidal with my actions. And they were the worst years of my life(although they WERE the most fun I've ever had ). But I lost sight of the end of the road. I was too interested in being a typical teenager that I did not notice the fork in the road and I took the wrong route. Now that I've returned to religion I am happy again. And I still drink, although I've quit experimenting in drugs and prematial sex is limited to one person(my fiance). And I am not guilt ridden the slightest bit because I know that I am forgiven.
I would say that to believe in something unshakably, even though there is absolutely nothing that supports your claim, requires some amount of disconnect in the brain. In this day and age at least. Hundreds of years ago, before things could be adequately explained, religion was key. It answered peoples questions, sort of. It answered them in a very cop-out way, but they were answers. Christianity is an origin myth just like every backward African religion is, just like Islam is, just like what we refer to as Norse and Roman and Greek mythology is. No different. The fact that you seem to think it is an more validifiable also, I believe, requires a little disconnect.

And as I said before, and type of religious experience which you think you may have felt after all those 'tough times', can be explained in many other ways. Assuming they were messages from God, or callings to become religious or something like that is just silly.

"I was drunk, fell down and nailed my head quite hard. As I was delirious, spinning, and still quite drunk, I got a message from God which called me to be religious."

I'm not saying that this is how your 'experience' or whatever happened, but the conclusions I drew in my scenario are just as ridiculous as whatever conclusions you seem to have drawn from yours.

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It has been discussed that a day could mean something more. Have you ever told someone "It'll only take a minute" and it takes fifteen minutes? It is like that. It even describes dinosaurs in the bible.
Yeah, but the people who say things like that are human. This is the creator of the universe and all things in it. I would like to think that he has the ability to make himself clear. Also, I mentioned other things which are undeniably false in the Bible, and you don't mention them. Rightfully so, as there is no denying the fact that a human could not survive in the stomach of a whale for two weeks. Also I believe the Bible does mentiono dinosaurs in the bible, though it refers to them as dragons, with humans walking right alongside them. Another statement in the Bible which we know to be 100% false. The fact is the Bible doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny.
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