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The Bible is ridiculous. It's all about the Torah. Anyhoo, the Bible has been translated/interpretated too much to really be the word of God or whatever.

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DearJenny

Depends on the version, how old it is, what language, blah blah blah but the message is still there.

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The Bible would be pure if each Bible was made like a Torah.

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The Torah contains half the bible mate...

i get high sometimes

When I made the statement about you saying "we think we can make bold statements like Unicorns are/aren't real", I copy/pasted your exact words, and switched Unicorn with God. Those are your exact words, and if you are going to apply them to God, then, following your logic, it must be applied to all things which science cannot disprove, which includes all of the aforesaid things, Unicorns, Goblins, trolls, etc. Why can't you say that it is futile to argue the existance of goblins? Will you say that? You do see that your logic only leads me to that argument right? Which is a completely valid one. The fact that you cannot disprove it does not mean that the notion that he is real or unreal are equally unsupported.

So unless you can honestly come out and say that it is pointless to argue the existance of goblins, trolls, mermaids, the flying spaghetti monster, and unicorns, your point has been pretty much beaten. You can't even hold up to your own logic. You want to derail this by calling me a hipocrite. Stick with the argument. When I attributed beliefs to you which you didn't hold, you said you didn't hold them. I did the same with you. That is over, you mentioning that sidetracks this argument which you cannot win, unless you bring yourself to say what I have stated earlier.

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It does have relevance. It is called a metaphor. A person who goes into the doctors office (a person who is born), for a cancer test because he has a lump on his back, is told that he does not have cancer (will not die, but have everlasting life) and will continue to live the rest of his life, even though he does have cancer and his death is imminent (even though when you die, your life is over). The releif he will get from being told he does not have cancer is comforting. Just like your belief that you will join god in a palace in the sky after you die is comforting. You cannot accept the fact that when you die, you are gone. Thats it, your life is over. So you gloss it over with wonderful stories of a magical palace in the sky where all your loved ones are and no one ever really dies and we all live happily ever after. Isn't that cute. Just because something gives you comfort does not make it true.


See, there is no chance. You could honestly believe that our souls will be returned to the immortal turtle who created us all, and we will all continue our after life in his protective shell. That doesn't change the fact that it is untrue, and when you die, you are dead. There are thousands and thousands of Gods, Yaweh is one of them. I know you think you are all devoted and whatnot, but so do every other adherant of every other religion. Your faith isn't special, all religious people claim they have it. The suicide bombers who are willing to strap bombs on themselves for their God, truly believe. Are they just wrong? And you're right? Allah is wrong, Yaweh is right? How about those billion other adherants to thousands of different religions? They're all wrong about God and you've got it right? Because on the off chance that the real God is the Great African JuJu, you will really be ****ed. When it comes down to it, Yaweh has no more evidence for his existance than Zeus does. The religious in this day and age for some reason view people who held those beliefs (which we know classify as 'mythology') were somehow backward, yet they've got it all figured out. Like the Romans beliefs were ridiculous but theirs are warranted. It is all the same, untrue.

Just think about it, people do not base ANY other of their beliefs on ZERO evidence, except God.
No one just up and believes that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow, just because. There is no evidence that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow. There is no evidence that God exists. Why is it widely accepted that God exists but not widely accepted that the core of the earth is made of marshmellow? There is equal evidence to support both, but the religious just throw their beliefs into God because their parents did, and their parents did, etc. etc.

Next, assuming God does exist, once again, what are the chances that the real God is Yaweh?
Yaweh seems like a pathetic God to me anyways. Desperate for people to believe in him.

Anyway, none of this matters because there is no evidence to support the existance of a God. If you can show me what evidence you base your faith on (there is none, hence the definition of faith being 'an unalterable belief in something based on no evidence'), then maybe I can see where you are coming from. The fact is that your faith is blind. Based on no evidence, just indoctrination. Or perhaps some 'religious experience' that you think you felt after all those 'tough times' in your life, which can be explained in a myriad of ways, and to assume that it must have been God is ridiculous.


I would say that to believe in something unshakably, even though there is absolutely nothing that supports your claim, requires some amount of disconnect in the brain. In this day and age at least. Hundreds of years ago, before things could be adequately explained, religion was key. It answered peoples questions, sort of. It answered them in a very cop-out way, but they were answers. Christianity is an origin myth just like every backward African religion is, just like Islam is, just like what we refer to as Norse and Roman and Greek mythology is. No different. The fact that you seem to think it is an more validifiable also, I believe, requires a little disconnect.

And as I said before, and type of religious experience which you think you may have felt after all those 'tough times', can be explained in many other ways. Assuming they were messages from God, or callings to become religious or something like that is just silly.

"I was drunk, fell down and nailed my head quite hard. As I was delirious, spinning, and still quite drunk, I got a message from God which called me to be religious."

I'm not saying that this is how your 'experience' or whatever happened, but the conclusions I drew in my scenario are just as ridiculous as whatever conclusions you seem to have drawn from yours.

Yeah, but the people who say things like that are human. This is the creator of the universe and all things in it. I would like to think that he has the ability to make himself clear. Also, I mentioned other things which are undeniably false in the Bible, and you don't mention them. Rightfully so, as there is no denying the fact that a human could not survive in the stomach of a whale for two weeks. Also I believe the Bible does mentiono dinosaurs in the bible, though it refers to them as dragons, with humans walking right alongside them. Another statement in the Bible which we know to be 100% false. The fact is the Bible doesn't hold up to scientific scrutiny.

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No, this is also false.

The Bible was first compiled around 400 C.E. It was handcopied, obviously, by Monks who were already devout Christians. They believed that Jesus Christ fulfilled all the scriptures. So, when, as they were copying and compiling the books which constitute the Bible, and they came across stories in which Jesus Christ did NOT fulfil a scripture, they ADDED it in. It was natural to them, Jesus fulfilled the scripture, so the fact that this book does not say anything about him fulfilling the scripture MUST be a mistake on the part of the original author of the text. Therefore they added bits and pieces which led to Jesus' fulfillment of all the scriptures, even if the orginal texts said nothing of the sort. They 'corrected' these errors in the texts just like you would correct grammar errors in a Lit paper.

Another good example of this is the treatment of Mary. In the original Hebrew texts, Mary was described as 'almah' or a 'young woman', when this was translated into Greek, the word 'almah' was mistranslated into 'parthenos' which means virgin in Greek. The pope however, decided he liked this mistranslation and now it has crept its way into the belief system of all Christians. Isn't it funny how your religion works.

joyboyo53

i dont think you are reading what i am saying are you? your like a child, you just want to pick a fight. i understand you might not be the brightest tool in the shed, so i will start once again from the top.

'Lack of disproof is not evidence for proof'. this is what you keep telling me. SUPER! i agree with you, lack of disproof doesn't mean something exist.... but im not saying that something exist... i am saying we cannot prove or disprove gods existence and therefore saying 'god isn't real' is a bull**** statement that cannot be backed up.

it goes both ways lack of disproof is not evidence for proof, and lack of proof (that he doesn't exist) is not evidence for disproof.... so STFU and quit trying to tell me i am wrong when all i said was that WE DON'T ****ING KNOW!

now please come back with another quote of what i said, followed by some retarded monkey ass argument that stems from nothing.

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And, just like I said you would, instead of saying the one thing that would validate your argument in the only way it could be validated (namely, by admitting that you are an idiot), you decided to take it off track with a bunch of talk. Like you're some sort of politician. Maybe you're the child. And I believe the phrase you are looking for there is 'sharpest tool in the shed'.

So, when you can think clearly enough to see the fact that YOU CANNOT EVEN USE CONSISTENT LOGIC, maybe you can get past trying to insult me. I could easily call you a ****ing moron, but I've restrained myself.

Your logic is so phony its ridiuclous. You'll use this reasoning for God, why not anything else?
I guess that 'monkey ass' is the word you use to describe arguments that you cannot beat.

Until you can answer why your logic seems to apply to God, yet nothing else that we cannot disprove, and it is a rational answer, I just cannot take you seriously. Good day.

joyboyo53

how am i side tracking? i quoted what i said, then what you said, and showed how what you said doesn't even apply to what i said.

how is my logic faulty? i said we cannot prove or disprove gods existence, thats it. so i didn't even take a stance. you however are sitting here telling me that god ISN'T real. so where is your logic? where is your proof? i agreed with you 'lack of disproof is not evidence of proof' but i am not trying to prove anything YOU ARE.