Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

but then we play the God created time card so to say that "nothing was before God" makes no sense. god is eternity. of course even if god created time and space and matter and energy there's still the question of how, creatio ex nihilo is paradoxical because how could god create something out of nothing? to sidestep that paradox we must say that god created these things out of himself, and hence he is these things.

or, we can take the sun ra route: and then nothing turned itself inside out! in which case god is nothing.