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Old 02-02-2009, 01:36 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I believe that part yes, but even if you trace the universe back to nothingness there's still something being created from nothing. This is why I believe in some sort of higher power, though it's certainly not what they're describing in church.
However you twist it, something must've came out of nothing. If God created the world and nothing was before God, then God must've came out of nothing.
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:21 PM   #52 (permalink)
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but then we play the God created time card so to say that "nothing was before God" makes no sense. god is eternity. of course even if god created time and space and matter and energy there's still the question of how, creatio ex nihilo is paradoxical because how could god create something out of nothing? to sidestep that paradox we must say that god created these things out of himself, and hence he is these things.

or, we can take the sun ra route: and then nothing turned itself inside out! in which case god is nothing.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:24 PM   #53 (permalink)
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but then we play the God created time card so to say that "nothing was before God" makes no sense. god is eternity. of course even if god created time and space and matter and energy there's still the question of how, creatio ex nihilo is paradoxical because how could god create something out of nothing? to sidestep that paradox we must say that god created these things out of himself, and hence he is these things.

or, we can take the sun ra route: and then nothing turned itself inside out! in which case god is nothing.
If destruction is only a form of creation then nothing can cetainly be a form of something.
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:47 PM   #54 (permalink)
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So i know something exists... i just do know how or why.
I 100% agree. Mentally I think I am an atheist, but my mom grew up in a 'haunted house' and she believes all these things as well. I had an experience with a medium that I will never forget,and it wasn't one of those fake ****ty scammer ones.

Thing that confuses me is that to see something, doesn't it need a photon? How do spirits (energy, whatever you call it) manifest if they are physically nothing? There has to be some connection for us to see it.

As for death - I will probably be okay it. If it is simply a cut-off from your consciousness, cool. I think there is such a liberating feeling in that, a feeling that you just cease, nothing there.
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If destruction is only a form of creation then nothing can cetainly be a form of something.
i don't think you can submerge destruction under creation but they're certainly two sides of the same coin, in the same way that every presence implies an absence and there is a constant presence of absence. so there are really two kinds of nothing, the "present" nothing which lets us define the states of things-- as in, it is monday, not tuesday, i am not sick or dead, i am not supposed to be anywhere, etc. and also a hidden nothing which can't be captured by forms or thought of as 'something' because it is completely formless and is completely absent from experience in any form. one nothing can become something, like the absence of snow could turn into a presence. the other kind is a "true" nothingness in that you can't even talk or reason about it, because as nothing it cannot be an object. as far as creation goes, the first type of nothing already implies a something which it contrasts against, and so is already a step past creation. the second type by its very nature cannot become something, because that would be a violation of its identity. if it is able to violate its own identity, however, we might be able to assign a will to it and call it god.
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i don't think you can submerge destruction under creation but they're certainly two sides of the same coin, in the same way that every presence implies an absence and there is a constant presence of absence. so there are really two kinds of nothing, the "present" nothing which lets us define the states of things-- as in, it is monday, not tuesday, i am not sick or dead, i am not supposed to be anywhere, etc. and also a hidden nothing which can't be captured by forms or thought of as 'something' because it is completely formless and is completely absent from experience in any form. one nothing can become something, like the absence of snow could turn into a presence. the other kind is a "true" nothingness in that you can't even talk or reason about it, because as nothing it cannot be an object. as far as creation goes, the first type of nothing already implies a something which it contrasts against, and so is already a step past creation. the second type by its very nature cannot become something, because that would be a violation of its identity. if it is able to violate its own identity, however, we might be able to assign a will to it and call it god.

That's assuming the single universe theory, and the idea that the orchestration of the universe hasn't happened before.

But I find it a fascinating idea that God might be the void itself.
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Did you know that if the worlds timeline was a piano then every key up to the last key would be just primevil bacteria and the lvery ast key would be spanning the first micro organism and dinorsours and human evolution?
Makes you think.
I reckon the future is the key.
Lets suppose in the future they can control or invent the past?
Like how we invented comunication through the air.
Maybe they used methods to manipulate the world and make us have souls through methods from the future meaning we are just organisms but were given this soul by a future computer to sustain us up to the point where we surpass and conquer the failings that led to the end of humaity.
In short, maybe thousands of years in the future a person or people was able to combine time and technology to re program life in order that they can exist as a person in their time.
Much like you can implant a pacemaker and control it with a radio controller. Perhaps every minute human and ant is controlled by similar control from the future in order that we fulfill what the programmer wants.
If this seems far fetched them understand that microchips in computers can do more tasks then there are ants in the whole world.
I reckon God and souls are just the future pulling us to fulfill our destiny in order that the future can be lived in a body and not as it turned out only through computer waves.
Do you get me?
God as we know it is a future computer ensuring that he can live in a human body when his life in the future actually comes around.
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Did you know that if the worlds timeline was a piano then every key up to the last key would be just primevil bacteria and the lvery ast key would be spanning the first micro organism and dinorsours and human evolution?
Makes you think.
I reckon the future is the key.
Lets suppose in the future they can control or invent the past?
Like how we invented comunication through the air.
Maybe they used methods to manipulate the world and make us have souls through methods from the future meaning we are just organisms but were given this soul by a future computer to sustain us up to the point where we surpass and conquer the failings that led to the end of humaity.
In short, maybe thousands of years in the future a person or people was able to combine time and technology to re program life in order that they can exist as a person in their time.
Much like you can implant a pacemaker and control it with a radio controller. Perhaps every minute human and ant is controlled by similar control from the future in order that we fulfill what the programmer wants.
If this seems far fetched them understand that microchips in computers can do more tasks then there are ants in the whole world.
I reckon God and souls are just the future pulling us to fulfill our destiny in order that the future can be lived in a body and not as it turned out only through computer waves.
Do you get me?
God as we know it is a future computer ensuring that he can live in a human body when his life in the future actually comes around.
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Did you know that if the worlds timeline was a piano then every key up to the last key would be just primevil bacteria and the lvery ast key would be spanning the first micro organism and dinorsours and human evolution?
Makes you think.
I reckon the future is the key.
Lets suppose in the future they can control or invent the past?
Like how we invented comunication through the air.
Maybe they used methods to manipulate the world and make us have souls through methods from the future meaning we are just organisms but were given this soul by a future computer to sustain us up to the point where we surpass and conquer the failings that led to the end of humaity.
In short, maybe thousands of years in the future a person or people was able to combine time and technology to re program life in order that they can exist as a person in their time.
Much like you can implant a pacemaker and control it with a radio controller. Perhaps every minute human and ant is controlled by similar control from the future in order that we fulfill what the programmer wants.
If this seems far fetched them understand that microchips in computers can do more tasks then there are ants in the whole world.
I reckon God and souls are just the future pulling us to fulfill our destiny in order that the future can be lived in a body and not as it turned out only through computer waves.
Do you get me?
God as we know it is a future computer ensuring that he can live in a human body when his life in the future actually comes around.

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How do you know I aint God?
I mean, how do you really honestly know?
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