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Originally Posted by sleepy jack
How can you have free will to believe in the Christian god or not when according to theology there's some master plan for all of us?
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I remember reading somewhere in the bible that God created in his own image and gave us free will to decide whether we want to follow his teachings or not. Of course if you don't follow his teachings or believe in him, you will not be considered "saved" and you will burn in hell.
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer
first of all, if we're all truly part of "God's plan", then no, we don't have free will. second, this is almost identical to the old free market argument that constituents of the working class are not coerced into selling their labour to capitalists due to 'voluntary agreement'. when your options are to sell your labour to a capitalist or to starve on the street and die, you may as well call it coercion, yes? similarly, taking into consideration the concept of hell we're all aware of, God hasn't exactly given us much of a 'choice', now has he?
believe and obey or burn eternally, mother****er! oh, thank you, forgiving, infinitely loving Lord, for blessing us with the ability to choose.
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We do have free will though that's why there was the city of Sodom and Gamorah but he decided to kill all of them because he's a loving god but he's also a vengeful god....this is according to the bible. I mean we have free will but if you believe in him and his teachings you will believe that you also go to hell if you don't say you are saved and acknowledge the fact that he died for your sins.