"I know you're being ironic but you haven't defined 'selling out' either, all the bands you've heard of and read about 'sold out', it's part of the industry, except most of them aren't honest about it."
Isn't it a little extreme to say all the bands I have heard of or read about sold out, in fact barely any of the bands I listen to haven't sold out (albeit they never really had the chance to). Any way thanks for the response didn't realize how critical the community is