The Shaggs and The first Saccharine Trust album people seem to hate, I can understand why people would hate the Shaggs but the first Saccharine Trust album "Paganicons" gets some pretty harsh criticism when it is my favorite Saccharine Trust album :P, i'll admit some of the lyrics are pretty brutal but it's far more interesting than their free jazz stuff that came later imo. + Human Certainty and Effort To Waste have the best intros ever
