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Old 08-20-2010, 10:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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What is your opinion on 'The Masterplan'?
Impressive enough, considering they're all B-sides. I'm really indifferent to them these days, even though WTSMG and Definitely Maybe are really simple 1 dimensional albums I feel they do get a lot of harsh stick. They aren't terrible albums, but they aren't brilliant either.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:37 PM   #12 (permalink)
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damn you... i would have done this album, planning a week or two ago, but i agree with your rating.
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Old 08-21-2010, 06:41 AM   #13 (permalink)
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For me, the first 3 minutes of All Around the World are basically the best thing Oasis ever did. Plus, everytime I feel like battering my ear drums, can't go far wrong with a dose of My Big Mouth. Otherwise, I never listen to this album. Too long, pointlessly noisy, laughably bad production.

Good review though.
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Old 08-21-2010, 07:31 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I agree with a lot of things said in this thread whereas others I could not disagree with more.

Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was a bit of a risk. It was as close as Oasis ever came to doing something different rather than recycle heavily. It marks a maturity, at least in Noel Gallagher and for me definitely shows a man learning from the mistakes that came before it. That mistake was of course Be Here Now as he says himself it was a bit of a swindle, given that it was the follow up to one of the most successful British albums of all time and was obviously going to be a make or break album and yet their attitude to writing and recording it was shocking. He says himself he can't remember a single thing about it at any stage of its conception or production. I think that helps to explain the lack of direction the album has and i agree it is a little self indulgent as well as completely cocaine and alcohol fuelled.

However Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was the result of Noel Gallagher being hospitalised, sobering up as a result and determined to take the process of writing and recording a new album seriously. He forced the rest of the band to remain sober throughout this process too and i completely agree that it is only Little James and Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is that stops me from loving that album.

However I completely disagree with your opinion of Fade In Out and the title track. It's so clear to see the attempt to mix things up a little in tracks like Magic Pie but ultimately it was a failed attempt in my opinion. However those two tracks we're done well i feel and those two alongwith Don't Go Away, Stand By Me and The Girl in the Dirty Shirt are the highlights of this record in my opinion.

Be Here Now wasn't a bad album I dont think but it was bloated, it lacked direction and it was just unprofessional and even a little irresponsible for a band of their size in 1997 to follow up their first two records with a record like this. But it had certain tracks and certain moments that helped to somewhat redeem it. At least enough for me to still give it a whirl every now and then.

Also i personally really like Dig Out Your Soul. Yes, it had a couple of stinkers on it but it felt it was their first album in a number of years that had any real energy and any real balls to it.

Definitely Maybe > Whats the Story > Dig Out Your Soul > Be Here Now > Standing on the Shoulder of Giants > Don't Believe The Truth > Heathen Chemistry.

Although Be Here Now and SOTSOG are interchangeable, those two could change places depending on what side of bed i woke up on that day.
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:25 AM   #15 (permalink)
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damn you... i would have done this album, planning a week or two ago, but i agree with your rating.
Heh, you know what they say, you snooze you lose!

Funny thing with this, I had tried to do this review before, but right as I nearly finished, my computer crashed, and I lost everything I wrote. Basically an hour of my time wasted, but I did end up deciding I would do it again.(As you can clearly see)

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For me, the first 3 minutes of All Around the World are basically the best thing Oasis ever did. Plus, everytime I feel like battering my ear drums, can't go far wrong with a dose of My Big Mouth. Otherwise, I never listen to this album. Too long, pointlessly noisy, laughably bad production.

Good review though.
I could agree with you on that if Oasis hadn't made "The Masterplan" and "Don't Look Back In Anger." "All Around The World" is a great song though and I really enjoy the build of it.

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I agree with a lot of things said in this thread whereas others I could not disagree with more.

Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was a bit of a risk. It was as close as Oasis ever came to doing something different rather than recycle heavily. It marks a maturity, at least in Noel Gallagher and for me definitely shows a man learning from the mistakes that came before it. That mistake was of course Be Here Now as he says himself it was a bit of a swindle, given that it was the follow up to one of the most successful British albums of all time and was obviously going to be a make or break album and yet their attitude to writing and recording it was shocking. He says himself he can't remember a single thing about it at any stage of its conception or production. I think that helps to explain the lack of direction the album has and i agree it is a little self indulgent as well as completely cocaine and alcohol fuelled.

However Standing on the Shoulder of Giants was the result of Noel Gallagher being hospitalised, sobering up as a result and determined to take the process of writing and recording a new album seriously. He forced the rest of the band to remain sober throughout this process too and i completely agree that it is only Little James and Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is that stops me from loving that album.

However I completely disagree with your opinion of Fade In Out and the title track. It's so clear to see the attempt to mix things up a little in tracks like Magic Pie but ultimately it was a failed attempt in my opinion. However those two tracks we're done well i feel and those two alongwith Don't Go Away, Stand By Me and The Girl in the Dirty Shirt are the highlights of this record in my opinion.

Be Here Now wasn't a bad album I dont think but it was bloated, it lacked direction and it was just unprofessional and even a little irresponsible for a band of their size in 1997 to follow up their first two records with a record like this. But it had certain tracks and certain moments that helped to somewhat redeem it. At least enough for me to still give it a whirl every now and then.

Also i personally really like Dig Out Your Soul. Yes, it had a couple of stinkers on it but it felt it was their first album in a number of years that had any real energy and any real balls to it.

Definitely Maybe > Whats the Story > Dig Out Your Soul > Be Here Now > Standing on the Shoulder of Giants > Don't Believe The Truth > Heathen Chemistry.

Although Be Here Now and SOTSOG are interchangeable, those two could change places depending on what side of bed i woke up on that day.
I don't think 'Dig' was recycle heavy either.

Yeah, "Put Yer Money" and "Little James" do suck and are the major faults with the album, but "I Can See A Liar" is also weak, just not on the level of those two. The lyrics to "Little James" are completely ridiculous. Well, at least some of the lyrics in "Little James" actually make me laugh, "Put Yer Money" has no redeeming factor though.

"live for your toys
even though they make noise
have you ever played with plasticine
even tried a trampoline"

Well, I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree, because "Fade In Out" and the title track were subpar, even by Oasis standards. I like "The Girl In The Dirty Shirt" though.

Yeah, I don't think 'Be Here Now' deserves all the flak it gets from critics. It has a few truly great moments on there.

I actually prefer 'DBTT' to 'DOYS.'

Definitely Maybe > WTSMG > BHN > SOTSOG > DBTT > HC > DOYS

Sometimes my list switches, but DM almost always stays in first.

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Old 05-28-2013, 10:57 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I think this album is a little underrated, including by Noel himself - I think there are too many guitar overdubs that makes it sound a bit messy from a production point of view, however the songs are great and I think it's got some of Liams best vocals as well!
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Old 06-11-2013, 10:27 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Fun record def some filler
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Old 06-11-2013, 05:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Whats the Story Morning Glory was the only one that was really any good.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:51 PM   #19 (permalink)
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It's Getting Better Man is one of the best pop rock songs that they have ever recorded both musically and vocally! If Be Here Now was their first album they would still be talking about it!
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