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Old 12-17-2013, 10:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Because they're Iron Maiden. They're a metal band and not an avant-garde metal band. They've gone more progressive and they've experimented, but they've always been a pure metal band at heart and their albums are at their best when they reflect this. On later albums, and earlier albums in fact, they rectified this mistake.

And you've pretty much illustrated one of the great points many have said over and over again. With regard to the history of metal it is certainly an important, even a landmark album. But with hindsight and without the obscuring lens of nostalgia we can see that this isn't as great an album as it was once made out to be. Even you've said as much...




If you have to preface it with "For the given time" then you are tacitly admitting what I've already been saying. That in the present it's overrated.
You're insinuating that I think it's overrated? That I don't think it's as great now as it was when I first heard it? It still holds the same water for me as it did back in the early 80's. I thought I made that clear.
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:23 AM   #22 (permalink)
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You're insinuating that I think it's overrated? That I don't think it's as great now as it was when I first heard it? It still holds the same water for me as it did back in the early 80's. I thought I made that clear.
Then what's the point of saying "For the given time"?
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Old 12-17-2013, 10:30 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Then what's the point of saying "For the given time"?
To help you understand my viewpoint. I'm pretty sure you weren't around when it was first released, so rather than dissecting that phrase, just try to imagine being there.

Kind of like if you all of a sudden got a new Mom. Would you love the old one less because the new one does different things for you that the old one didn't?
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To help you understand my viewpoint. I'm pretty sure you weren't around when it was first released, so rather than dissecting that phrase, just try to imagine being there.

Kind of like if you all of a sudden got a new Mom. Would you love the old one less because the new one does different things for you that the old one didn't?
I understand that, but not having been there all I have to go on is personal opinion divorced from context. It seems to me that a lot of people like me don't get the hype and I think that actually does say something.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:18 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I understand that, but not having been there all I have to go on is personal opinion divorced from context. It seems to me that a lot of people like me don't get the hype and I think that actually does say something.
It says (to me) that there are quite a few people out there with a mind like a steel trap.
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I love how Batty made out this was going to be 12 pages of girly music, and the last two pages have been a raging argument about Iron Maiden!
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I love how Batty made out this was going to be 12 pages of girly music, and the last two pages have been a raging argument about Iron Maiden!
You can't fool me. You just bowed to my peer pressure and posted a metal album to "show me".


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You can't fool me. You just bowed to my peer pressure and posted a metal album to "show me".


I'm not sure one person can exert peer pressure by themselves but anyway ... leaving your (OOOF! It's bloody heeeeavvvyyy!!!! THUMP!) ... ego aside for the moment, I was always going to post NotB, as it is and always will be one of my alltime favourite albums of any genre. Wait till you see the next one!
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I'm not sure one person can exert peer pressure by themselves but anyway
They can when they're peerless.
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Holy diver --- Dio --- 1983

If there can be said to be such a thing as a perfect metal album, I believe this is it. If there can also be said to be a perfect debut, this gets that prize too. After taking the metal world by storm through his work with Rainbow and then Black Sabbath, Ronnie James Dio decided it was time to save heavy metal, and he intended to do it single-handedly. And he did.

Bad tracks? Move on, mate: you won't find any here! From the storming opener "Stand up and shout" to the grindy, chugalong "Shame on the night", every track here is a joy. Particular standouts are the title track, "Rainbow in the dark" and "Don't talk to strangers", the latter on which RJD brings his love of medieval and mythological writing, with a super little acoustic guitar intro before the song goes ape**** courtesy of one young man called Campbell.

An iconic album of the times, "Holy diver" heralded a whole new era in metal, but sadly for my money Ronnie soon ran out of steam and his third and fourth albums left me a little cold. If I'm honest, it's only this, the followup "The last in line" and "Killing the dragon" that really interest me. But this album was a shining example of Dio at his best, and it deserves all the plaudits it received and all its placings on "best albums" lists down the years. You can't truly call yourself a metalhead and not have this album. Sorry, not worship this album. It's just that good.

Ronnie had the perfect voice for metal, loud and aggressive while still clear and strong, and able to croon when he had to. He's a great loss to the metal community, and to rock in general, but at least we have this meisterwerk to remember him by.

Throw the horns! NOW!
Oh, and stand up. And shout.

TRACKLISTING

1. Stand up and shout
2. Holy diver
3. Gypsy
4. Caught in the middle
5. Don't talk to strangers
6. Straight through the heart
7. Invisible
8. Rainbow in the dark
9. Shame on the night
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