Aside from "Smokin' In the Boys' Room" and "Home Sweet Home", I could swear there was another good song on ToP, that sounded like it was probably a leftover from the previous album. Hold on...

Here it is!




Man, that's even more watered down than I remember. That riff is alright(ish), but without the chorus that would be nothing but filler. Might be onto something with the Hanoi Rocks thing. Considering how much they loved that band, I wouldn't be surprised if they fell back on ripping them off out of laziness.

See my point though, instead of picking it apart for its flaws haha, geez Batty.

I know all about Motley and their history. I was insanely obsessed as a kid with them. You get older though, develop a sense of taste, and you realize things most times about bands you loved in younger days that sort of disappoint you. When I became aware of what selling out was, a lot of what I learned, Motley did. I should have stopped listening, because I usually write bands off that sell out (Bush, ahem, I digress though...)

It's the allure of sex, the drugs, the fame, the stories. We know all about that, and we know bands are largely about that, a majority as you said. Call it a fantasy, that's fine. But making the music all about it instead of making music that is something more is different.

It was either that one or City Boy Blues, I don't think I've listened to it since about 1990.

There are quite a few similarities Two Steps From The Move was much poppier than anything Hanoi Rocks had done before. Hell both albums even had covers of early 70s rock songs as their lead singles.
The only difference was Hanoi Rocks managed to pull it off somewhat.

Totally. When they first started out in like '80-'81, it was smack dab in middle (end?) of corporatized new wave, so metal didn't really have a leg to stand on at that point. Ozzy, AC/DC, and Van Halen might have managed to carve out a niche, but metal definitely wasn't anywhere near on top at that point. And bands that dressed like women and played more like Aerosmith with heavier riffs definitely weren't on any label's radar.

And I think I was actually thinking of this song...




That's definitely more in line with SatD, and is actually a pretty good song, even if it sounds like something that didn't quite make it onto that album.

As opposed to Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, the Rolling Stones, etc? It might not be as up front a thing as it was before grunge made the rock'n'roll lifestyle uncool, but until then, that was just all part of the mystique. Motley Crue just took it to its logical conclusion. Even Lemmy has been quoted as saying that anyone who joins a band does it for the women first, and the music second. Take that for what it is, but if Lemmy says it, you probably can't really say he's totally wrong.

I really do have to listen to more Hanoi Rocks. I checked them out a bit more when I was making my glam metal list for the Metal Album Survivor thread, but I just couldn't justify calling any of their albums metal. Great power pop/glam rock though. I could totally see myself falling into a week-long hole with that band.

God damn triple post!

I know a lot of people consider the US Festival in 1983 was considered the death of punk & new wave and hard rock & metal took over.

You had The Clash headlining the friday night who had virtually fallen apart and given up at this point. In fact even at the end of the gig there was a fist fight between Strummer and security. Mick Jones left the band straight after and never came back.

And then Van Halen played the next night and blew them offstage with Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, Ozzy, Priest & The Scorpions backing them and basically replaced The Clash as the biggest band in the U.S. overnight.

That's pretty much when rock music became mainstream, all those bands had platinum albums after playing that show.

I'm not up for a triple but I'll do a double. EDIT: Damn you Urban.

Check out Saigon Kick. They fit into this discussion nicely.

Touche, Batty.

All of that, I've thought as well. I know, would be the more accurate thing to say.

Who really would argue against Lemmy? I couldn't count the number of musicians or people that respect that guy.

The Scorpions, love that bad. Klaus has one hell of a voice. I owned a Quite Riot on cassette as a kid. I think I could find it if I dug around at my parents place.