Because they're given too much responsibility/power incredibly quickly without ANY doctoring or announcement. Start them off as local mods and people get to learn how they conduct themselves in the position, and they can get use to having a workload. Not to mention that the staff can see how well they cope. Then if they prove themselves people would be much more accepting of peoples promotions to global level.

I personally think there is a conflict of interest whenever you make a popular member into a moderator. But, in most cases, it turns out fine. I think as long as you have one mod that knows a thing or two about music, the rest will take care of the spam. When I was mod, I never had to go to the Lounge. Why? Because the rest of the mods were already there.

I think the admin is out of touch with the boards, but that's all I'm going to say on that. But really, does this affect our boards that much? No not really. The intelligent music discussion is still going to be there (probably getting ignored ;) ). You have to realize that most of the drama happens in the Lounge, and really that's never been that detremental to the site.

I agree with that. Even now, there still is a lot of stuff left to the mod's discretion, and sometimes it is not received favorably by the other mods, members, admin, etc. I think the mod staff should be given some sort of generic guidelines and tips to follow, it probably would have helped me out a bunch when I first got started.

they get plenty of questions answered, tips on how to deal with people and overall help in the mod forum if they ask for it. we dont just throw them out to the lions unprepared.

Maybe so, but you still dump a lion in a crowd of buffalo, and buffalo don't like potential agressors. You can only pick up so much from tips, it's better to start off in the shallow end and break yourself in rather than going straight for the diving board.

Also, I don't think this site really needs more than 5 super mods and 2 admins. It brings down the prestige of the title, especially when it is being passed around generously. Most of the current mods are already very active and doing a good job cleaning up spam.

The idea of local mods is wonderful. It recognizes good posters and would have been a good alternative for All Nite Dinah's case, instead of abruptly ending his modship.

There was one point when the only active mods were me, fenix, and alejo. Only 3 super mods. But, honestly, while everyone was complaining, I thought we were taking care of things very well ;). So quality over quantity.

it does matter what type of music you listen to because you're more likely to notice things that happen in forums you frequent

if that jab was directed at me, i can assure you that the motive for making this thread wasn't because i wasn't made a mod, it was because two people have been made mods recently that i don't know at all, and as you may or may not have noticed, i'm all over this board and know pretty much everyone.....i mean for god's sake, vanilla made more of an impact on me than that kid, mods are supposed to be people that most people know and/or respect.....most people, not a handful......but that's just my personal opinion......and like i said before, whether you know it or not, modship is not just grunt work given to anybody, there are certain criteria that are usually followed when making someone a mod, and it IS a recognition of that person......i fail to see what perfection did to deserve such a post, especially before the likes of big3, urban or ledzep,what the hell, you can add boo boo , murder junkie or ethan to the list of people i have more respect for than perfection......and i wasn't aware that allnight seiced to be a mod, but the decision to make him one was not thought through in the first place.....

i just thought i'd speak out, i suppose i have odd views on what a mod should be.......maybe he will be a good mod.....although i doubt i'll notice him.....i hardly did in the past 9 months, i don't see why that should change.....

:pssst: pshhhh.....i'm having fun......;)


hahaha....such a good point.....

Adidass, not all members receive the respect they deserve. In fact, I'm sure everyone feels like they aren't getting enough.

I consider All Nite to be one of the smartest guys on here. His post history says it all. His quiet approach makes each one of his posts much more powerful than the last.

yeah yeah, i know....quit being so damn mature about all of this....you're ruining the fun......

a mod doesnt need a million posts or be noticed by everyone on the board. It isnt a popularity contest, it isnt based on who has the most posts. For the most part we throw around some names and what qualities they may have that would make a good mod, or the exact opposite. Being able to keep a level head is a quality you seem to be overlooking. notice theres no bitching and moaning from PTS about the slack you guys have given him. thats what im talking about. im sure greg has his own criteria for what kind of person he wants overlooking his board when hes away, and i doubt someone who is always complaining and starting arguments or constantly degrading other members is part of that criteria.

Just give the lad a chance. I'll admit, I thought it was a bit out of the blue to choose perfection, but whatever, we'll give him a chance. No one was happy when SATCHMO was made mod either, then everyone loved him for it in the end.

was that aimed at me? if so, say so please....i'm not very good at reading between the lines and have a tendancy to take things the wrong way.

perhapse you're right, in fact i'm sure of it, i'm sure that someone who has absolutely no discernable personality and is willing to do the grunt work and stay quiet about it is a far better choice than someone who actually has a lot to say......
but we sure as fuck got sidetracked, if you read my original post, i was also a little pissed that the wast majority of the mods are from the us......as soon as you rectify the situation, i'll stay quiet for all eternity..... or not.....

my original point was that there's like 20 mods when it's evening in europe, and perhapse 1 when it's morning or afternoon, i just thought i'd be nice to relieve AITA of some of the work, as i know she does a lot.....and noone seems to take that into consideration when naming new mods, we have plenty of great mods from america, but only 1 for the rest of the world....and i guess i just thought that was a bit unfair, to AITA aswell as to the boards......

That maybe true, but that doesn't apply to perfection because on america we have all mods on the east coast, so after 6:00pm none of them come on because their in bed and the boards are left to sit around with no mod, till AITA comes on.

I agree it would be nice, however in the whole scope of things where a person lives is just not very important in deciding who should be promoted. It's a bonus, but definately not a key factor.

I'm going to close this thread. If anyone has any more thoughts about the topics dicussed in here can PM me or another staff member.

I know the thread is closed, but I felt it was neccesary for me to get my 25 cents in.

First of all the time issue. Time is probably the last thing we care about when picking a mod. I can think of one time when a time issue was important, and that was by the spamming of the mygot forum. It took 3 hours, but it was taken care of. More issues....

We're picking a mod, not having a popularity contest. One of the most important quality is being able to get along with the rest of the mods so we can all try to be as even and fair as possible, but also have similar reactions to problems.

The job of being the mod is to moderate the forums, not be a nazi at what is this and that type of music. 99.999% of all moderation takes place in the lounge anyway. Makes that point useless. I'm completely down for giving out special titles or even colored names to those that specialize in a certain topic of music, but one's expertise in an area isn't one of the biggest qualities we look for when giving someone the spot. David Frost, knows a lot about music, but he's a d-bag. No chance he should be a mod.

PM if you have any questions on what I wrote. But it is really that simple.

I would also like to throw my thoughts in, and several people I will be PMing because I would like to continue this privately.

Since very few of you would know this, MB tried the local moderating. It failed for two reasons. The spam was often not curtailed in the forums where the moderator wasn't on, while a mod in another forum, who was on, couldn't do anything about it. Plus, we're not big enough a board, and probably won't be for another year or so to support all these moderators. MusicBanter has roughly 50 regular posters. and another 50 or so that stick around for a couple months than leave. That's not alot at all. I'm on boards with 400+ regulars. When we reach that level, local modship will be a good idea.

And to adidasss, music comment, serious or not, metal and rock is my main staple of music. I have recently been getting into electronic and other styles. If I like it I listen to it, but regardless, I police the other forums. Because it is my job. Not because of what I listen to.