See, I completely challenge Rozi and Hooker's descion here. Why you, and not TGS? Why? You are certainly not a better member. You do not contribute more. You are more immature. You are less musically knowledgeable.

I don't want them to change their mind about TGS, I want them to change it about you.

Because I put up a good argument in the fight to get my account back.

Ah, and that argument was?
It doesnt matter. You should never have had the chance to argue. You blatantly defied the mod who banned you. TGS did not have a chance to argue. This is not fair. You need to be gone. There is no other way to put it.

I emailed.
He could've emailed.
Pfft.

The argument was that I never told people I wasn't Lex in the madeinNY count, they could asume as they please and that the Hoffa accounts ban was suppsed to be not a permi because I got no warning.

Or something like that, I don't know...Rozi might remember.
I have to go to bed now...we shall see what happens by morning.

You got a Perma Ban.
You defied it.
You returned.

Therefore you need to be banned again. Is it really rocket science to figure that out? We do not let other people who have been banned just come back, why you?

Her Hoffa account was banned yonks ago by hookers, before I was modded. Then, ages later, we discovered her madeinny account was also hers. We banned her, then she emailed me not long after explaining how she had done nothing wrong on her current account and wasnt planning on it either. She put up a good argument, and seeing as I'd not banned her in the first place, I PMed hookers to see what he thought. He didnt particularly care, which I cant blame him for, its hardly a big deal, so she was unbanned.

The Golden String brought more trouble & pointless spam to the forums than madeinny has done. I dont have to go round deleting her posts, theyre on topic and have more to contribute than his did.

The fact that you bring this up now just shows you are only in this to stir up as much trouble as possible. Im not banning her, she's done nothing against the rules.

Lex was right, this thread is HILARIOUS.

yonks ago? She returned from her ban slightly more than a month after she was banned. Since when are permanent bans given, and taken away so casually? Obviously she did something to deserve a ban on her Hoffa account, so hookers banned her for it. But now, because she promises not to do it again, everything is ok.......does that make sense. "I'm sorry that I murdered my wife officer, I won't do it again"

TGS was a much more knowledgeable member than madeinNY is. But he broke the rules. Therefore he needed to be banned. Then, he broke the rules again by returning, and he recieved another ban.

This is THE EXACT same situation that madeinNY is in, yet there is an entirly different course of action. That doesn't make any sense. So, Lex e mails you and gets you to unban her. Maybe, TGS, was like a normal person and accepted his ban, without feeling the needs to pester the mods. Maybe he never realized that bans are overturned so easily.

That just goes to show, get banned, all you have to do is e mail a mod and promise never to be bad again.

So, coming back after you already got permenently banned isn't against the rules anymore?

TGS was worse than madeinny, we just had to delete more of his posts. Therefore, you're being super contradictory in telling explosions that she doesnt know the full story. Because you dont either.
This is not the same situation as TGS. He was banned for spamming and flaming etc. You may not like what madeinny has to offer, but it is on topic and contributing to the forums, whether its the music forums or not. And the mod that banned her Hoffa account said to unban her new account. Conspiracy alert? Maybe not.

Quit trying to stir things up everywhere, its losing its novelty now.

Edit:
Her current account was doing nothing wrong. She was contributing and no one had any complaints as to un banning her. You want me to ban her now for being banned months ago? I honestly dont see what you think you can accomplish with this thread.

let me try and sort this **** out..

1. I wasnt involved with Hoffas ban, so not sure of the circumstances there. But it does sound to me like she must have contacted a mod about it and worked something out. good for her, thats using your head and the only way a ban should really be lifted. especially if she got an OK from the mod that banned her.



2. I was the mod that banned TGS..I was also the one who sent that his IP be banned.

I gave him a 14 day ban for some pretty harsh words (which is pretty light) that was pointed out to me. I let him know if he chooses to return when the ban is up, that i suggest more contributions, less off topic posts, less insults, more respect for other members.

I also made it fully aware to him that if he signs in under another account, and gets caught, his IP will be banned.

He created another account right away and got caught..end of story, he knew what he was risking and did it anyways.

Before his IP got banned, he mentions how he should change his proxy; and basically just challenging me more and more with posts like:

"i didnt ignore the bann
i just post opinions of mine
there is nothing wrong with that"

and:

"and now you guys can have your flaming e orgy , with the 5 maybe ten ppl that post here on a regular , and thats what you want then cool"

I think my reply to him after he got caught sums it up pretty well:

EDIT: To Fenix, since I posted this before I read your post. I agree that TGS should have been banned. I agree that he broke the rules, and then disrespected your desicion by coming back immediatly. I completely agree with the way that you handled it. You don't have to prove to me that he needed to be banned. I know he did man. What I am blabbering about, is that madeinNY disrespected hookers desicion when she just returned after he made the choice to ban her permenently. You are a mod. Isnt perma ban a pretty serious action?

Fenix, you even wrote this^. That exact e mail could have been sent to Hoffa


Hookers didn't "say to unban". In your last post, you said that when he was asked about it, his response was that he didn't care. Had madeinNY never broken the rules in the first place, there would be no need for him to question his desicion. Why then, is it ok for her to break the rules like that? And why do you ignore key parts of my post? Do you think I won't notice? Do you want me to have to type them out again. Every point that I made is valid, but is completely ignored by you. I'll repost them:



And why do you get so uptight when someone questions you? I am not sure what world you live in. Maybe in your world, everyone agrees with you all the time. That is not how it. People are allowed to question a desicion of yours without you admonishing them. Is this new to you? I can understand how this would be a shocking revalation if you lived in a world where you are always agreed with.

The point is, I disagree. If any other member had done the same thing, they would not be here right now. The fact that hookers felt the need to give Hoffa a permenent ban, and Fenix only felt the need for a 2 week ban, should say something as well. The Hoffa account acted worse than TGS acted. Please, just reply civally, instead of telling me to "quit stirring things up". There is nothing attcking about this thread. I haven't flamed anyone, I haven't spammed it and filled it with jokes. Why then, do you get so uptight. (don't answer this, I don't want that to be the focus of your next post)

If I was sad enough to save all my previous PMs, Hookers said something along the lines of "Unban her, I dont really care and Im not sure on whats going on at the moment anyway". Feel free to ask him about that, I dont have a fapping photographic memory on such lame and unimportant matters.

*Sigh* I cant beleive I have to spend so much time on you.

Right. First point :

"That just goes to show, get banned, all you have to do is e mail a mod and promise never to be bad again."
The problem is...? Even if it were that simple, at least we'd have members who arent stirring up trouble again. It shows that the banning system was working, yes? You do bad, you get punished, you learn your lesson. Madeinny had done that.

"yonks ago? She returned from her ban slightly more than a month after she was banned. Since when are permanent bans given, and taken away so casually? Obviously she did something to deserve a ban on her Hoffa account, so hookers banned her for it. But now, because she promises not to do it again, everything is ok.......does that make sense. "I'm sorry that I murdered my wife officer, I won't do it again""
Youre comparing an internet forum to murder. Losing your grip on reality much? But really, I cant repeat myself any more here, if she's no longer breaking the rules, then what is the big problem?

"And why do you get so uptight when someone questions you? I am not sure what world you live in. Maybe in your world, everyone agrees with you all the time. That is not how it. People are allowed to question a desicion of yours without you admonishing them. Is this new to you? I can understand how this would be a shocking revalation if you lived in a world where you are always agreed with. "
I normally dont get uptight over such trivial things, but things do get tiring after a while as Im sure you know. And even if I did have my head up my own arse all the time, that doesnt come into this. So I unbanned a member who was currently breaking no rules. Nothing to flip out about and throw personal insults really..

"The point is, I disagree. If any other member had done the same thing, they would not be here right now. The fact that hookers felt the need to give Hoffa a permenent ban, and Fenix only felt the need for a 2 week ban, should say something as well. The Hoffa account acted worse than TGS acted. Please, just reply civally, instead of telling me to "quit stirring things up". There is nothing attcking about this thread. I haven't flamed anyone, I haven't spammed it and filled it with jokes. Why then, do you get so uptight. (don't answer this, I don't want that to be the focus of your next post)"
Nah Ill answer anyway, thanks for the advice though. As Ive said, TGS had a number of posts deleted and was flaming far more than madeinny has done. I cant even remember exactly what madeinny was banned for, you must forgive me for that, something to do with Simon Cowell and everyone hating her for it. God knows really. Point is, she changed her ways, whereas TGS just came right back and did the very same as before.

Yes, a perma ban is pretty serious but Im also pretty sure each mod has their own scale on what gets banned for and for how long, only in extreme situations do the mods discuss bannings. In most cases it is usually just up to the mod that does the banning.

A member that has been banned (whether it be for 2 weeks, or perm.) should contact the mod that banned them and try and get the ban lifted before starting new accounts to avoid an IP ban.

I can only deal with who I ban because those are the only circumstances I can deal with.

And nobody better be coming back early on my bans, I got that ip power.

I agree completely. The difference is, madeinNY came back without telling the mods, then she discussed it with them. It wasn't vice versa.

to AITA: PATROH didn't come back and insult anyone. The only thing that gave him away to me was the fact that he kept sticking up for TGS. When I said " all you have to do is promise never to be bad again" I didn't mean that they actually refine their ways. Anyone who is banned, could say that they promise to be good. You said "madeinNY isn't breaking the rules anymore" I disagree. Everyday she is breaking the rules, simply by posting. She isn't supposed to be here, she got banned for good. Whether of not she apologizes shouldn't matter. Look how many times she has been banned. 3? Am I right? But yet you say she learned her lesson? I will just remember that next time that I get banned, I will just PM a mod, and promise to be good. Hey, it worked for Hoffa, therefore it should work with every other person who gets banned. If you are going to allow that for 1 person, then you should allow it for all. If that turns out to be the case, then what are bans really? They are jokes if they can be overturned so easily.

they've alreayd explained themsevles even tho non of the mods had to.. and your still talking about it.

will you just let it go, you want her gone to get banned.. well clearly the mods want more of a reason to do so, and you giving a reason isn't good enough.

just let it go for now.

So far the only responses in this thread, aside from yours and madeinNY's spam fest, are from mods. Which is a good thing. You do not know what you are talking about, and are sticking up for certain mods to earn yourself some brownie points. YOU give it up. Quit replying to this thread, which has been mostly on topic since AITA and fenix started posting.

i could honeslty care less about what the mods think of me.. i would never try to earn brownies points...

i'm just pointing out that you won't let things go no matter how much it gets explanned.. do you honestly think the more you want her to get banned it will happen.. i mean get over yourself your stirring up a fight and making an bad pot of stew..

she hasn't done anything harmful to your's or anyone's emotions, she is spamming less when she mainly would spam she keeps it to the bitch thread, where it makes sense to bitch about ones personal life.

i haven't spammed in this thread, i've been pointing out what i think and what others think about the subject.

What you think is irreleveant since you do not know the story. I really should stop replying to you.

And who are these others. Because I know that somepeople who are backing me on this, probably have a greater say than, oh, I dunno, Lexxi.

This is a good topic, and doesn't need to die

wether or not you think i know the whole story or not doesn't matter. i had good points going about you and her. and what makes sense what doesn't. and we all get what your saying that they shouldn't be so lite with her, and she should be still banned and or get banned again. i understand that. but what i'm saying now is clearly the mods agree that she can stay, and for some reason agree that you can stay also *thinks mods are crazy* so just let it go for now, if your so sure she's doing nothing good here, then its only a matter of time before the mods find another reason to rid of her.. so i think your just wasting all of our times and your own.

regardless, she discussed it with a mod instead of just ignoring it like she owned the place..which is the impression i got from TGS attitude.


Patroh coming back insulted me (as a mod) by ignoring the warning i gave him and like Alejo stated, i only deal with bans that I give out, i gave TGS a ban, he ignored it, so I stuck to the deal by banning his IP.
And bill, everyone does have the option of talking to a mod to get a ban lifted, Its been done before, Hoffa isnt the one and only.

I will say it again..99% of bans are up to the discretion of the mod that does the banning and therefore it is that mods decision whether or not to lift a ban. they are overturned so easily, a push of a button really..but convincing a mod that has banned you to unban you, may not be so easy..Hookers obviously didnt care about the ban enough to keep her banned.

To: Explosions
Wasting your time? You don't have to reply here, if fact, I wish that you wouldn't. You have made no good points really. There are about 6 or 7 mods/admins. When all of them, and every member here who knows what is going on, agrees that madeinNY recieved no special treatment, and that this situation is fair, then I will quit. But this thread is just normal discussion, no attacking, no flaming, why is everyone so scared of that?

What convincing argument was there? From what I have gathered, all she did was say sorry. Is that good enough. Like I said, if it works for one, then it needs to be done for all. That is just special treatment towards her, and if she gets that treatment, then so should every other person that gets banned.

And had madeinNY not returned (and in doing so, insulted Hookers) she would have never had the chance to say sorry. She didn't comeback immediatly and tell the mods who she was. When it leaked who she was, it was then that she said her sorry to the mods

If hookers was the mod that banned her, and hookers was ok with lifting the ban, then thats that. nothing really more needs to be discussed. I would of banned her IP, im pretty sure alejo would of done the same, but it was up to hookers, and he must of been in a good mood..good enough to let her stick around and give her another chance. If she gets banned again, the next mod might not be to forgiving..its not special treatment or favoring anyone over anybody else its just that mods choice.

Then why do I have 70 replies. Crappy threads die out.

And to Fenix: Fair enough

i dont think there was much of an argument to begin with, i just think bill wasnt really sure how the mods work. at first glance it does seem unfair for certain banned members, so i understand the concern, but you could of simply asked us how we do things before starting a MB Mod Conspiracy thread.

Haha, this isn't at all a "mod conspiracy thread"
I just think the fact that madeinNY wasn't banned was unfair.

But i understand that other mods would have handled things differently

I banned Hoffa b/c people were flooding me with PMs to get rid of her. But after good dialogue with her "mom", and other members I banned unfairly (like Fal or Emochick), I realized at a certain point that people are just trying to have fun here. Hoffa never broke any rules. "maturity" and "contribution" aren't in the rules. "Spam" is subjective and vague. At least from what I can see, she isn't insulting anyone or excessively whoring herself in threads.

Ban times are subject to change. Misfitspunk was permanently banned, but brought back after good dialogue with the mods. That's all it really takes. I'm sure if Golden String were to approach Fenix, that could happen. Fenix is a laid back guy, if he banned GS, I'm assuming it was for good reason. Also, I only recall banning her for six months, and ask Lex or her mom, I told her that would not hold for the duration.

But seriously now, I'm not a mod anymore. I made mistakes, you make mistakes, we all make mistakes. Let's move on please.

well, like i said before i wasnt directly involved with hoffas ban so I cant really say too much about it..what i will say is that a permanent ban as a first strike is pretty harsh in my opinion (edit: cuz i just read hookers saying it wasnt a perm so it doesnt apply) , unless they are here just to cause trouble. I would of given a week or two for the spam and a warning about creating new accounts..if they ignore the warning, and I catch them with a new account, then I will have their asses IP banned and chances are it wont be lifted. not by me anyways, and the mods have a pretty good understanding not to lift other mods bans. so if you or anyone else does happend to get banned at some point in time i wouldnt recommend ignoring a mod, instead if you think the ban was unjust or too extreme email one of us and it will get looked at although i cant promise you the outcome will change.

Ok so, pretty much me and fenix are on the same page.
I undersatnd. Hoffa igorned the ban, and different mods would have handled it differently, but since it was hookers ban, the desion was his, and though I don't understand why, he allowwed the ban to be lifted.

exactly.

Why are you making such a big deal about this? I'm not a mod anymore, you got your wish. She is doing nothing wrong. Hating someone isn't a good enough reason to ban someone.

Dude, I thought this was over. It really should be. I don't have any problem with your descions. I just don't know why you would lift her ban. Thats all. It doesn't have to go on.

EDIT: And you know good and well that that wasn't "my wish". I did not send that PM

im guessing it has more to do with Golden String being banned (?)

I don't know much about the GS situation, but I have to admit, that Vanilla "skank noob" avatar he had was the funniest thing I've ever seen on this forum!

Na man. GS should have been banned. And so should madeinNY since they commited the same crime. But it is all at the banning mods discretion

You certainly cracked the case Columbo.

ZOINKS SCOOB!
Well hookers, you would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for us pesky kids!